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Teeny Leviathan

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01-12-2008 05:01

From: Senga Tsarchon

The TV signals that have been beamed into space are analog signals (until very recently). If you can capture the signal and build a machine that can play it, you'll see the same thing my father did in 1960. If you capture a digital signal and want to play it, you have to decode it, which is much harder.

I don't know how digital TV signals are sent, but it's probably similar to internet signals, which are sent as packets. These have to be decoded and reassembled in order to make sense (if they ever did make sense, that is!).

So the little green men would find their humano-porn wrapped up in little packets, like veggies at Scout camp or sushi.

Don't forget the wasabi.

The analog signals would degrade over time and distance, but those data packets could come through almost intact. With digital tv, the signal either appears intact or not at all. In the end, those distant aliens will get snowy, barely visible first run episodes of Leave it to Beaver, but decades later, they get clear, but jumpy pay per view donkey gangbangs via satellite.

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01-12-2008 05:47

picturing all the old sl bugs projecting into space like the beginning of 'contact' in a big bad flashback

the aliens will greet us with outstretched hands and their heads up their butts

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01-12-2008 06:46

I wonder if Jig's question is really just a polite way of asking a different question - are aliens from space already members of SL and living among us? What a good place to hide, you must admit! And it starts to make sense of a lot of strange things.... Didn't Linden Lab get formed shortly after one of those UFO sightings? What's going on, eh?

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01-12-2008 08:32

Do you think those neighbours of mine who live in that black box could be invaders from space? OMG! Hal might be on to something!

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01-12-2008 09:05

From: Void Singer

I know someone that makes a living breaking into sytems this way... not by stealing, by selling the information on how they went about it. sytem managers can close the holes, they get paid, everyone is happy. I certainly wouldn't call anyone doing that an idiot... more like shrewd use of talent.

and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point

Thanks a lot VOID. I just pulled my old foil covered commando helmet out of the closest.

But yeah you got a point...I guess the ones I knew who were just doing it for fun (don't work with or hang out with any of those guys now) made me biased against all hackers, but what you're talking about is an actual important and valuable service, which is why the ex-leader of the PN was taken on as a consultant for a brief time by LL (or so I read/heard and heard again)

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01-12-2008 09:34

A brief time, until they realized the PN aren't hackers, AMIRITE

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01-12-2008 09:38

From: Void Singer

I know someone that makes a living breaking into sytems this way... not by stealing, by selling the information on how they went about it. sytem managers can close the holes, they get paid, everyone is happy. I certainly wouldn't call anyone doing that an idiot... more like shrewd use of talent.

and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point

This is probably false.

There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people.

The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha

It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from.

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01-12-2008 09:59

From: Void Singer

and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point

/me chokes with laughter on her Tuna Salad on a Sesame Bagel. Oh, please,you MUST share with us where you heard THAT one.

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01-12-2008 10:25

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html

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Have you considered that someone could be reading what's on your monitor from a few rooms away? It's unlikely, but possible, as work by Cambridge University computer security researcher Markus Kuhn shows.

A radio antenna and radio receiver - equipment totalling less than £1000 - is all you need. Kuhn managed to grab the image to the left through two intermediate offices and three plasterboard walls.

http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/

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01-12-2008 10:26

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html

http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/

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01-12-2008 10:34

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html

http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/

That's interesting.

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01-12-2008 10:35

He he..teach me to be a wisenheimer.

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01-12-2008 10:38

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He he..teach me to be a wisenheimer.

I think the world only needs one short German celebrity sex therapist.

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01-12-2008 10:39

Okay, try it now, smarty pants.

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01-12-2008 10:44

From: 2k Suisei

http://jya.com/emr.pdf

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf

The last link describes how it is possible to reproduce the image displayed on a monitor by viewing a wall of a room the monitor is in.

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01-12-2008 10:45

From: Teeny Leviathan

I think the world only needs one short German celebrity sex therapist.

ohhh Dr Ruth...how appropriate!

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01-12-2008 10:55

From: 2k Suisei

Okay, try it now, smarty pants.

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01-12-2008 11:16

From: 2k Suisei

This is probably false.

There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people.

The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha

It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from.

Actually, the TV detecting is, technically speaking, piss easy. Easier than remote reading of a computer monitor. All you need is an am radio, and a home made directional antenna.
Every tv set has a radio frequency oscillator inside, try it. By comparing the waveform of the oscillator to the broadcast signal the detector van can even tell which channel is tuned in.

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01-12-2008 11:24

My system may be having an odd problem.

The quote shown above:

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uote:
Originally Posted by 2k Suisei
This is probably false.

There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people.

The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha

It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from.

Where is that quote from ? I don't see it. I'm using the Flock browser with Greasemonkey and Strife's BBcode script. I'm wondering if this is causing some text to disappear.

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01-12-2008 11:35

From: Bruise Shepherd

Actually, the TV detecting is, technically speaking, piss easy. Easier than remote reading of a computer monitor. All you need is an am radio, and a home made directional antenna.
Every tv set has a radio frequency oscillator inside, try it. By comparing the waveform of the oscillator to the broadcast signal the detector van can even tell which channel is tuned in.

That's true and I actually read it before posting. But there's a huge difference between a signal and a viewable picture.

The problem for the BBC will be that it's difficult to work out which house the signal is coming from. In the UK houses tend to be crammed together and the older houses have rather thick walls.

I used to work for the TV licensing folks and we never scanned houses. We had "visitors" that would visit each house and ask the occupants if they had a TV. They'd very often peek into the window before knocking on the door.

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01-12-2008 12:29

All i can say is, This should confuse the h*ll out of E.T.

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Teeny Leviathan Never started World War 3 Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 2,716	01-12-2008 05:01 From: Senga Tsarchon The TV signals that have been beamed into space are analog signals (until very recently). If you can capture the signal and build a machine that can play it, you'll see the same thing my father did in 1960. If you capture a digital signal and want to play it, you have to decode it, which is much harder. I don't know how digital TV signals are sent, but it's probably similar to internet signals, which are sent as packets. These have to be decoded and reassembled in order to make sense (if they ever did make sense, that is!). So the little green men would find their humano-porn wrapped up in little packets, like veggies at Scout camp or sushi. Don't forget the wasabi. The analog signals would degrade over time and distance, but those data packets could come through almost intact. With digital tv, the signal either appears intact or not at all. In the end, those distant aliens will get snowy, barely visible first run episodes of Leave it to Beaver, but decades later, they get clear, but jumpy pay per view donkey gangbangs via satellite. _____________________ The Default Avatars were created by Linden Lab They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.
Nyoko Salome kittytailmeowmeow Join date: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,378	01-12-2008 05:47 picturing all the old sl bugs projecting into space like the beginning of 'contact' in a big bad flashback the aliens will greet us with outstretched hands and their heads up their butts _____________________ Nyoko's Bodyoils @ Nyoko's Wears http://slurl.com/secondlife/Centaur/126/251/734/ http://home.comcast.net/~nyoko.salome2/nyokosWears/index.html "i don't spend nearly enough time on the holodeck. i should go there more often and relax." - deanna troi
Hal Harbour Pursuit of happiness Join date: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 60	01-12-2008 06:46 I wonder if Jig's question is really just a polite way of asking a different question - are aliens from space already members of SL and living among us? What a good place to hide, you must admit! And it starts to make sense of a lot of strange things.... Didn't Linden Lab get formed shortly after one of those UFO sightings? What's going on, eh?
Jig Chippewa Fine Young Cannibal Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,150	01-12-2008 08:32 Do you think those neighbours of mine who live in that black box could be invaders from space? OMG! Hal might be on to something! _____________________ Fine Young Cannibal
Xio Jester Killed the King. Join date: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 813	01-12-2008 09:05 From: Void Singer I know someone that makes a living breaking into sytems this way... not by stealing, by selling the information on how they went about it. sytem managers can close the holes, they get paid, everyone is happy. I certainly wouldn't call anyone doing that an idiot... more like shrewd use of talent. and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point Thanks a lot VOID. I just pulled my old foil covered commando helmet out of the closest. But yeah you got a point...I guess the ones I knew who were just doing it for fun (don't work with or hang out with any of those guys now) made me biased against all hackers, but what you're talking about is an actual important and valuable service, which is why the ex-leader of the PN was taken on as a consultant for a brief time by LL (or so I read/heard and heard again) _____________________ ~ In Shakespeare, 'Tis The Fool Who Speaks The Most Profound Truth. ~ http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=37521
Day Oh Registered User Join date: 3 Feb 2007 Posts: 1,257	01-12-2008 09:34 A brief time, until they realized the PN aren't hackers, AMIRITE _____________________
2k Suisei Registered User Join date: 9 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,150	01-12-2008 09:38 From: Void Singer I know someone that makes a living breaking into sytems this way... not by stealing, by selling the information on how they went about it. sytem managers can close the holes, they get paid, everyone is happy. I certainly wouldn't call anyone doing that an idiot... more like shrewd use of talent. and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point This is probably false. There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people. The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-12-2008 09:59 From: Void Singer and just to have fun and add to the thread, did you know the fbi posesses a fun little toy that they can aim at your monitor and will show them what you see? nifty little gadget works right through the walls... it was made for crt's, not sure if it'd work on plasma or lcd... but it's not new tech so who knows at this point /me chokes with laughter on her Tuna Salad on a Sesame Bagel. Oh, please,you MUST share with us where you heard THAT one. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-12-2008 10:25 http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html From: someone Have you considered that someone could be reading what's on your monitor from a few rooms away? It's unlikely, but possible, as work by Cambridge University computer security researcher Markus Kuhn shows. A radio antenna and radio receiver - equipment totalling less than £1000 - is all you need. Kuhn managed to grab the image to the left through two intermediate offices and three plasterboard walls. http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/ _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
2k Suisei Registered User Join date: 9 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,150	01-12-2008 10:26 From: SuezanneC Baskerville http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/
Hiro Queso 503less Join date: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,753	01-12-2008 10:34 From: SuezanneC Baskerville http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2007/04/seeing-through-walls.html http://www.chazownweb.com/blog/security/laptop-and-flat-panel-users-beware/ That's interesting.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-12-2008 10:35 He he..teach me to be a wisenheimer. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Teeny Leviathan Never started World War 3 Join date: 20 May 2003 Posts: 2,716	01-12-2008 10:38 From: Brenda Connolly He he..teach me to be a wisenheimer. I think the world only needs one short German celebrity sex therapist. _____________________ The Default Avatars were created by Linden Lab They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.
2k Suisei Registered User Join date: 9 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,150	01-12-2008 10:39 Okay, try it now, smarty pants.
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-12-2008 10:44 From: 2k Suisei http://jya.com/emr.pdf http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf The last link describes how it is possible to reproduce the image displayed on a monitor by viewing a wall of a room the monitor is in. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-12-2008 10:45 From: Teeny Leviathan I think the world only needs one short German celebrity sex therapist. ohhh Dr Ruth...how appropriate! _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Hiro Queso 503less Join date: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 2,753	01-12-2008 10:55 From: 2k Suisei Okay, try it now, smarty pants.
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Bruise Shepherd just passing through Join date: 23 Jun 2007 Posts: 118	01-12-2008 11:16 From: 2k Suisei This is probably false. There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people. The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from. Actually, the TV detecting is, technically speaking, piss easy. Easier than remote reading of a computer monitor. All you need is an am radio, and a home made directional antenna. Every tv set has a radio frequency oscillator inside, try it. By comparing the waveform of the oscillator to the broadcast signal the detector van can even tell which channel is tuned in. _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-12-2008 11:24 My system may be having an odd problem. The quote shown above: Q From: someone uote: Originally Posted by 2k Suisei This is probably false. There's lots of official bullshit going around about picking up TV signals through walls. For years the BBC have been pretending that they could pick up TV signals through walls in a way to encourage people to buy a TV licence. They used to send fake TV detector vans through the streets of the UK in order to scare people. The only way they could really find out whether you had a TV was to see if your home had registered a TV licence and if not, they would then send a guy around to listen outside for the Dr Who theme music or something. haha It is possible to pick up some sort of obscure signal from a TV. But when you have a street full of houses then it's almost impossible to know which house that signal is coming from. Where is that quote from ? I don't see it. I'm using the Flock browser with Greasemonkey and Strife's BBcode script. I'm wondering if this is causing some text to disappear. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
2k Suisei Registered User Join date: 9 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,150	01-12-2008 11:35 From: Bruise Shepherd Actually, the TV detecting is, technically speaking, piss easy. Easier than remote reading of a computer monitor. All you need is an am radio, and a home made directional antenna. Every tv set has a radio frequency oscillator inside, try it. By comparing the waveform of the oscillator to the broadcast signal the detector van can even tell which channel is tuned in. That's true and I actually read it before posting. But there's a huge difference between a signal and a viewable picture. The problem for the BBC will be that it's difficult to work out which house the signal is coming from. In the UK houses tend to be crammed together and the older houses have rather thick walls. I used to work for the TV licensing folks and we never scanned houses. We had "visitors" that would visit each house and ask the occupants if they had a TV. They'd very often peek into the window before knocking on the door.
Angelique LaFollette Registered User Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,595	01-12-2008 12:29 All i can say is, This should confuse the h*ll out of E.T. Angel.

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