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SL Addiction: A Problem?

Kyrah Abattoir
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08-21-2008 16:12
beside, not all addictions are bad.
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Raudf Fox
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08-21-2008 16:22
*snorts* This is only the mother's side of the story and after dealing with a MIL who drove my husband up the wall with her demands and clingy attitude, I find myself asking: Is this woman like that? Did she drive her son away and rather than feel any guilt, blames a 'game' instead? Instead of trying to understand her son and his real interests, she probably shoved him into a mental corner and forgot about him.

SL is like sitting and eating at a feast. If you are healthy, you'll leave when you feel full, but sometimes people eat themselves to death.

Is it addictive for me? Hmm... At first I was on as long as I could be, but that lasted about a week. Then I moderated and am now only really on for long periods of time if I'm in the 'zone' for building/crafting/creating. I'm not as social as I should probably be.
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Weston Graves
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08-21-2008 16:29
From: Kyrah Abattoir
beside, not all addictions are bad.


I agree. More people die daily as a direct result of cigarettes and beer than have ever died in all of recorded history from an overdose of pixels.*

My SL activities come in binges. I get all excited about a project and stay on line almost every free moment. Then I run into a snag, get frustrated, and put it aside for weeks sometimes. During those away times I have binged just as much on studying Beethoven or in trying to figure out if the Huns settled in Hungary, is that where it got its name?

I think we should start worrying about Beethoven and archeology addictions.

(*The above cigarette / beer reference is loosely paraphrased from Orson Scott Card's Secular Humanist Revival. He was talking about something else entirely, though.)
Argos Hawks
Eclectically Esoteric
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,037
08-21-2008 16:43
I'm not addicted. I can quit anytime I want to.







I just don't want to.






*shakes*
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Cat England
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Join date: 22 Mar 2008
Posts: 24
08-21-2008 16:49
From: Ghosty Kips
I'm schiz too, with mild BPD and a couple of phobias. Thanks for not taking the "crazy" route. :)

Raises hand- bipolar,OCD and ADD- thanks also for not taking that route!
Trout Recreant
Public Enemy No. 1
Join date: 24 Jul 2007
Posts: 4,873
08-21-2008 16:51
From: Desmond Shang
Prior to here, I had been an electrical engineer, project manager and then managed an engineering department. 60 to 80 hour weeks, stress-related illnesses constantly, rough issues at home because of it.

Now I run a tiny corporation of my own (import/export) and manage an estate in SL in tandem.

I can drive my kids to school, pick them up, spend afternoons with them, and even spend time with family like never before.



Of course, it may sound more socially acceptable to be working my tail off in a supposedly 'professional' environment, making some anonymous corporation owner rich. Ah, no thanks.

Been there, done that. Spoilers ahead! For those still tuned to that channel, yes, the flirty executive secretary is going to be promoted to something that normally requires a management-related degree, and yes, those were her panties in the CEO's Lexus. The hardworking older guy in IT is going to be passed over for promotion yet again, in favour of the sort of incompetent but 'cool' guy who goes dirtbiking with the manager. And yes, you are under consideration to be laid off. Again.

Well. Not even 5pm but guess what, I'm going to go take a nap.

Thank you, internet :)


Bastard. You just told everyone the ending to my career. I'm considering stealing your life.

As for Melody the mom who lost her son to Second Life. Hogwash. Blaming Second Life is like an alcoholic blaming booze. People make their own decisions and are responsible for them. If her son is messing up his life, that's his problem, not Second Life's. Frankly, the way she writes leads me to believe she was overbearing and completely overprotective of him. People with Asberger's don't react well to being smothered, and you can't expect them to call you every night and check in. The just don't work like that. My nephew, who I dearly love has Asbergers, and you just have to understand that the way he deals with social interaction is different than the way most people do.

Honestly, if this woman were my mother, even without Asbergers, I'd try to put 3000 miles between us just like her son did.
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Dementia Obviate
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 218
08-21-2008 16:52
Addicted... yes, I'm logged pretty much all the time that I'm not working. But I've had an internet addiction long before I found SL. But I don't see it as a problem. I work a full time job, pay my bills, keep my house clean, have good hygiene, keep my cat fed, visit the family on special occasions like birthdays and holidays. If they really needed me, I'd be there for them.

To be honest, there's not alot of people around here that I'd care to hang out with by choice and I've always been an indoor type person. I don't drink or do drugs... though I smoke a bit too much, so I guess its not the worst addiction in the world... and its a lot cheaper than most.
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Steely Carver
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Join date: 10 Nov 2007
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08-21-2008 16:53
From: Xio Jester
Yeah yeah yeah, OLD question...I'm bored. I HAVE known, and actually still know some folks who use SL more than me (which is ...well...bein a bipolar psychotic schizo, I hesitate ta use the word "CRAZY";). We have all seen folks stay up for 2 days on end, or whatever...buildin' a club, maybe workin on LSL, another project...doin' virtual real estate work...

This woman posted up that her 26 year old son, a college grad like a lotta SL Residents, is pretty much just a drone at the computer, won't call family, no GF, no RL friends, etc.

http://playsquad.commongate.com/post/Second_Life_has_ruined_my_son_s_life/

This is a pretty extreme case, she BLAMES SL, but like I say; it's up to the individual. LL didn't handcuff & chain the guy to the machine, nor does it chain ANY of us to the computer, it's a choice.

Just a curiousity/boredom post:

Are YOU addicted? Do you think you're past the healthy limit?


People look for something to blame:
--Rock music
--Dancing
--Video games
--Gambling
--Drinking
--Drugs
--Sex

The fact is, when something is missing from one's life, one is apt to try to fill the gap with something. The focus is in the wrong area; the "substance" rather than the individual.

Nothing is addictive of itself. One thing or another may provide a catalyst, but it is the individual that completes the process of addiction.
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Steely Carver
The dreamer or the dream?
Join date: 10 Nov 2007
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08-21-2008 16:55
From: 2k Suisei
I don't really like SL. I just like bumming around on internet forums and being annoying.


Well, everyone needs a hobby.

:)
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Brenda Connolly
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08-21-2008 16:58
Oh that Rock and Roll is the Devil's work, I say. Stay away from it. Especially the bands like that Nine Inches of Nails group....EVIL!
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Steely Carver
The dreamer or the dream?
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08-21-2008 17:04
From: Brenda Connolly
Oh that Rock and Roll is the Devil's work, I say. Stay away from it. Especially the bands like that Nine Inches of Nails group....EVIL!


Yeah, the nails are a Satanic symbol of crucification. They have subliminal messages to get you to worship Satan. Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
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Dakota Tebaldi
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08-21-2008 17:19
Could somebody who knows at least SOMETHING about it please tell me what Asperger's is? Every single definition I've ever heard has sounded to me to be a description of a personality type, as opposed to something that deserves to be called a disorder or disease, let alone a whole syndrome.
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Bella Posaner
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Join date: 8 May 2008
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08-21-2008 17:20
Nope, not in the slightest, I can take it or leave it. It passes time if I have nothing else to do.

I wonder sometimes if the addiction people form is because there is much lacking in their RL. Like maybe they don't have a lot of RL life friends, successful relationship or a busy profession, (just speculating).

I have a happy and fulfilling life and consider it to be much more important that SL.
Dakota Tebaldi
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08-21-2008 17:24
From: Steely Carver
The focus is in the wrong area; the "substance" rather than the individual.

Nothing is addictive of itself. One thing or another may provide a catalyst, but it is the individual that completes the process of addiction.


I hear what you're saying, but I disagree about the priority. If a fellow drives his car into a lake because he is suicidal, you can worry about the reason he's suicidal later: right now, you need to get him out of the freakin' lake.
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Oryx Tempel
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08-21-2008 17:45
From: Dakota Tebaldi
I hear what you're saying, but I disagree about the priority. If a fellow drives his car into a lake because he is suicidal, you can worry about the reason he's suicidal later: right now, you need to get him out of the freakin' lake.

But don't blame the lake.
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08-21-2008 17:49
From: Winter Ventura
Screw real life. What has it ever done for me anyways?

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Leslie Trihey
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Join date: 10 May 2007
Posts: 136
08-21-2008 18:23
Well..

My friends call me a loner.
They call me 'not one of the crowd'.
They call me 'computer nerd'.
They call me 'no lifer'
But. Before. I met the internet.
I was already a loner.
I was that kid, that smoked in the shade.
The one that avoided the crowd.
I was the one, who became there boss.


Heh I can actually say I'm addicted to SL. But I blame myself, and my lonerness. I still have friends. I love my girlfriend, my family but I don't get along with anyone else in the real world/. In SL I'm a social mad science addicted catgirl. If anything SL has turned me into a social person =D. Maybe not in this 'real life'. But who cares about that. I have a good job, plenty of free time. Plus, like I said, most of my high school friends work for me now =D.
Eclectic Wingtips
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08-21-2008 21:37
From: Dakota Tebaldi
Could somebody who knows at least SOMETHING about it please tell me what Asperger's is? Every single definition I've ever heard has sounded to me to be a description of a personality type, as opposed to something that deserves to be called a disorder or disease, let alone a whole syndrome.


Aspergers is found on the Autism spectrum. It is a disorder that focuses on the personality which is why you woud think of it s a personality type and I supose in many ways it is. However the reason that is comes under the idea od 'disability' is that it usually manifests in a number of 'deviant' behaviours. That is behaviours which differ (often quite considerably) from the norm.

Aspergers has a huge number of categories and sub categories one must fit into to be diognosed as having it. However in most cases they are just found to be on the Autism spectrum.

Some of the more obvious tendancies of people with Aspergers include alack of understanding about the Social World (that is that they are unsure or un aware of how to act in a 'socially normal' way to fit in.) They usually are very vvery intelligent and tend to focus, even to the pointof obession about one or two things. This can hinder friendships as they will often only talk about this for days on end.

For a person with Aspergers I can see the benefit of SL. They have the ability to earn social norms in a capacity thatis easier. They have the chance to tke the time to type, to think slowly through things. They would also likely find it easier to make friends in here by finding groups of people who have similar intrests
AfroduckFromPC Brim
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08-21-2008 21:58
Eclectic sums it up pretty well.

Autistic disorders, by the way, are not due to limited cognitive ability as most people are familiar with when you talk of mental disorders. Cognitive abilities are often fine and not uncommonly higher than average. They simply perceive the world and sometimes themselves in a different manner than most people would. The degree to which this occurs varies individually.

A couple additional points:
- AS is NOT an excuse for antisocial behavior. Unfortunately there are many self-diagnoses on the Internet (and some outright liars) and they use it as a cover to avoid criticism or excuse bad behavior. Most people who actually have AS would love to be able to fit in and live the same as all the "normal" people around them and will try to do so, not wave around their diagnosis and use it as an excuse to piss everyone off.

- The Patriotic Nigras and griefers and trolls in general (in SL or anywhere on the Internet) do not necessarily have any form of Asperger's Syndrome, despite some people's claims. Some may have it, but plenty just enjoy being an a** and would appear little different from everyone else in RL. AS is not a catch-all for every behavior that seems out of place.
Tod69 Talamasca
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,107
08-22-2008 01:13
From: Steely Carver
People look for something to blame:
--Rock music
--Dancing
--Video games
--Gambling
--Drinking
--Drugs
--Sex

The fact is, when something is missing from one's life, one is apt to try to fill the gap with something. The focus is in the wrong area; the "substance" rather than the individual.

Nothing is addictive of itself. One thing or another may provide a catalyst, but it is the individual that completes the process of addiction.


QFT!!

I don't spend as much time in SL as I used to. Things change, new things come about.

If someone finds themselves one of those 24/7 players, then there's something seriously wrong.

And ignore the post about the WoW new expansion- Starcraft 2 will PWN!!!! :p
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Tod69 Talamasca
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08-22-2008 01:17
From: Bella Posaner
Nope, not in the slightest, I can take it or leave it. It passes time if I have nothing else to do.

I wonder sometimes if the addiction people form is because there is much lacking in their RL. Like maybe they don't have a lot of RL life friends, successful relationship or a busy profession, (just speculating).

I have a happy and fulfilling life and consider it to be much more important that SL.


Also QFT.
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Milla Alexandre
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08-22-2008 06:59
From: Trout Recreant
Bastard. You just told everyone the ending to my career. I'm considering stealing your life.

As for Melody the mom who lost her son to Second Life. Hogwash. Blaming Second Life is like an alcoholic blaming booze. People make their own decisions and are responsible for them. If her son is messing up his life, that's his problem, not Second Life's. Frankly, the way she writes leads me to believe she was overbearing and completely overprotective of him. People with Asberger's don't react well to being smothered, and you can't expect them to call you every night and check in. The just don't work like that. My nephew, who I dearly love has Asbergers, and you just have to understand that the way he deals with social interaction is different than the way most people do.

Honestly, if this woman were my mother, even without Asbergers, I'd try to put 3000 miles between us just like her son did.



whoa whoa whoa....the kid has Asbergers!!!!? Ok (I didn't read it obviously lol) But....lets back up here....first of all...people with Asbergers have extreme difficulty with social experiences because they cannot really read normal bahavioral cues from other human beings. They simply do not process information the same and therefor do NOT relate to others.....or more accurately, cannot. Gees.....along comes a social venue that allows them to relate to human beings more literally (using text) and presto.....the world is opened up to them on a level they can finally function in!!! Hellooooo mom....this is probably her sons only real 'normal' social experience because of his disability. Cripes.....has she ever done any research on the condition? Doe she have a clue at all what her son is going through. Wingnut. SL might be the thing that's saving him from complete isolation and misery.
Mickey Vandeverre
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Join date: 7 Dec 2006
Posts: 2,542
08-22-2008 07:10
From: Desmond Shang
Prior to here, I had been an electrical engineer, project manager and then managed an engineering department. 60 to 80 hour weeks, stress-related illnesses constantly, rough issues at home because of it.

Now I run a tiny corporation of my own (import/export) and manage an estate in SL in tandem.

I can drive my kids to school, pick them up, spend afternoons with them, and even spend time with family like never before.



Of course, it may sound more socially acceptable to be working my tail off in a supposedly 'professional' environment, making some anonymous corporation owner rich. Ah, no thanks.

Been there, done that. Spoilers ahead! For those still tuned to that channel, yes, the flirty executive secretary is going to be promoted to something that normally requires a management-related degree, and yes, those were her panties in the CEO's Lexus. The hardworking older guy in IT is going to be passed over for promotion yet again, in favour of the sort of incompetent but 'cool' guy who goes dirtbiking with the manager. And yes, you are under consideration to be laid off. Again.

Well. Not even 5pm but guess what, I'm going to go take a nap.

Thank you, internet :)




Wow....that's so profound.....on a number of levels......sent chills up my spine. Thanks.
Marianne McCann
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Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
08-22-2008 07:23
From: Imogen Saltair
Probably.

However, I hold down a demanding job, I pay my bills, I see my family and friends RL

There are some SL things I would rather do than RL things, and vice versa... but I dont sweat about it.

I think it depends on how you keep a balance and stay healthy, mentally physically and emotionally.

If you let anything rule your life, its too much... too much is just that.. too much..


Oh look, there's the answer right there in the first reply.

Anything has the possibilly of being an "addiction" in the loose sense of the word, and anything can get out of hand if one lets it.

I spend a *lot* of free time in SL. As well as role play, I'm running two stores *and* do professional building in here. Yet I always try to keep some perspective. We have real lives out there that need care and freeding, and people who care about us, and all that.
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sable Valentine
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Join date: 30 Apr 2006
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08-22-2008 07:23
I love sl and do not see it as an addiction at all. Initially, I viewed it as a hobby which hobbies should provide enhancement and be rewarding. My first year was more focused on exploring, making money and finding a place to stay. My second year however has been more relationship building. When I was injured from a car accident and was off work for a few months and it was winter time, sl was like a Godsend. My sl "family" provided alot of support and it was much more engaging than another episode of Jerry Springer or the Maury show, "I slept with 30 men, who is my baby's daddy". Although Steve Wilko was pretty entertaining. When I was off work, I found a job as a host in a club. So, in that aspect I felt like was working and gave me a greater appreciation of hosts jobs.

Now I believe I have found someone and we just click. We will wed in about 4 weeks inworld. We have discussed meeting in irl and approaching that next level with deliberate caution. We have made a pact if we are still together in sl for a year then we will meet irl.

Not to derail this thread, but for those who met irl, how did it go?
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