When is ARing really Vigilantism

Odious, yes.
Harmful, yes.
Does it matter who reported it? Yes. Why not simply IM the offender and see what can be done? IM as an alt. Don't bring LL into it.

If the regulations are fair and the enforcement of those regulations is just and fair, why, I might agree with you.

Well folks, I may not be the best SL citizen who ever trod these keyboards but I can promise you that I won't be ARing anyone or banning you.
I won't do it.
However small a incident it may be, it's Salem Witchcraft Trials. The Crucible. The Trial. McCarthyism. All manner of nastiness wrapped up in a little pink bow and with a squeaky clean voice.

Not because there's anything inherently criminal in drug use, but because the regulations about drug use are not fair, and the enforcement of those regulations is arbitrary and unjust.

What does that remind you of?

This leaves out the fact that ARs, even when done en masse, typically result in no action taken.

But nah - I got no problem with your ideas either. Part of the whole "community policing thing" is that some people will not participate. That's fine too.

This seems to be an open and shut situation.

You PAY for the privilege to have a hangout in SL. Someone has now created a problem that is affecting all residents who have donated tier to the hangout. It shouldn't matter if the club was designed for gambling or selling pajamas. You should AR and ask others with the hangout to do the same if you wish, though I don't know if that speeds things up or slows them down.

As someone else said, If you were flying around looking for clubs to AR then that could be considered being a vigilante.

Sending an announcement or notice to a group to create a AR squad borders on being abusive and gaming the AR system.

Once LL stops rewarding these squads it will not be such an prevalent activity.

Indeed. But while there's not much I can do about the level of incompetence in the regulatory system nor the federal government's attitude concerning "recreational" drug use, I *can* do something to try to keep the fallout out of my neighborhood.

And that's about the best we can do in Second Life as well.

I have ARd when something has directly negatively affected me and is in direct violation of specified rules. I really don't see it much different that notifying the police that the drunk asshole next door is shooting his gun into the air again, in the middle of a busy city block.

And yes I am a bitch and yes I have plenty of RL friends.



If you Grandmother grew up in the US, she would have been allowed and encouraged to discipline the neighborhood kids that were misbehaving or report them to their parents. There is a difference between tattling on your brother just for the sake of getting him in trouble and honestly reporting a wrong because it is negatively affecting you.





True, and I should have stated that as the question since I had really already ruled out vigilantism simply by definiton.




I forgot that question -- NO and I don't always think discussion is necessary before reporting something.




Only to a degree. Some things are black and white with no grey -- gambling is gambling, a casino is a casino, no if, ands, or butts about it.

How is LL rewarding the vigilante groups? Trust me, I'm no fan of the self proclaimed police, but I assumed they were doing it for kicks, not to receive something from LL

Isnt it time for supper?

Vigilante is someone that takes the law into their own hands or someone that disregards all the rules to do what they feel is a just..sticking to the rules they would not be Vigilante's..

if someone went out looking to AR people and were doing it within the rules they would still not be a Vigilante..they would be witch hunters

What are you cooking?

/me whips off her skirt and waves it in salute



I IMd the group to let them know that we had found the source of the recent Hangout lag and told them a casino had opened up and a few of us were going to submit ARs to see if we could get it handled. I never invited anyone, but I also did not tell anyone to not come.
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I looked; none of the owners I looked up were online. If it was like an overlapping prim or something, it could wait a while until the landowner or builder came online perhaps; however, the way the sim was suffering and unusable, not waiting before ARing was perfectly reasonable.

I didn't say vigilantes groups - Mass AR Squads. People that call out for folks to come and help them AR something so they get a faster response from LL. This activity tends to produce a more instant reaction from LL.

Like seeking out kid avatars on Zindra and getting naked next to them really quick so you can AR them, right?

Well if it really works to get a quicker response, in the future I very well may actually invite and encourage the group to come submit ARs and opposed to just informing them of what was happening.

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I have had to contact LL only twice since I started so I'm not as familiar as those who have much larger land. In both situations my problems were resolved in a couple of hours. However, if a response is as slow as others have stated, then I don't see any problem with getting others to respond. If a larger number of AR's speeds thing up, then I see no problem with getting others to join in. LL would be bringing this on themselves only to force their residents to do extra measures to get attention.

If LL provided excellent customer service, then there would be no need to have a mass drive to get action.

Nonsense. It's no more any of those things than calling 911.

When someone floods a region with self-multiplying cubes screaming incoherent racist drivel to the point no one can move or use the region they are paying for, damn straight I'm going to AR them.

I am no more going to politely IM the offender and ask them to stop than I am going to tap a bank robber on the shoulder and ask him to reconsider the wisdom of their actions.

Abuse Reports, properly used are a useful tool.

You had a bad experience with a malicious AR, and that sucks, but you should not let that experience ruin the entire system for you.

You know what's a lot worse than standing up to something you know is wrong? Not standing up to it. Ask your grandmother about that.

I suppose sometimes it's "snitching" but sometimes it's war.

This isn't going to be very popular to say, but I've joined some mass adfarm AR parties in the past. I've gone hunting the roadways for violators of the "no more than 50" ad rule. Along the way I've AR'd some spinning, particle-spewing, oversized or otherwise rule-breaking ads, even though they were nowhere near those advertisers' blight on the sims where I have land.

I'm not the least bit sorry I did. I have no way of knowing whether the campaign to AR adfarmers contributed to the (ever so gradual) demise of that abhorrent practice, but something we did during those long battles eventually had a positive effect on the quality of Mainland life--and there weren't that many weapons at our disposal.

I would hardly fault someone who feels the same way about traffic gaming for hunting trafficbot hangouts to report. As with adfarms, it's not just the location next to your parcel that corrupts the whole system. If ARs would bring about necessary change, and if there's no other viable measure to effect that change, then ARing isn't vigilantism as much as it is an act of community service.

My only regret about the adfarm ARs is that they were anonymous, due to LL's confidentiality rules; that makes ARs seem sneaky. Practically, though, I don't think Umnik and ROBO and all the others had any doubt about who was gunning for them; we certainly weren't very secretive about it.

Compared to the excesses of some residents on another, I'll take the spotty regulations and enforcement over it.

Two words: Ad farms.

Two more words: Microparcel extortion.

No, I don't have ANY problems ARing them wherever and whenever I see them. If I (and others) did have problems with doing it, they would still be a part of the SL mainland culture as they were a year ago.

No, it really doesn't matter.

As for IMing, sometimes I do, if it appears to me as a genuine case of ignorance. However, I am not going to bother to IM someone who has already shown that his/her acts are intentional and malicious. I'm not going to IM someone who is intentionally griefing someone else, running a scam, or spamming the area with messages, sounds, particles, etc, even if I am not a neighbor.

Tal, sometimes extreme measures, including vigilantism, may be necessary evils. It's possible to accept this without denying their reality.