A question to consumers!

No. Give me the basic outfit with one length of flexiskirt. The more crap that's in a folder, the less likely I am to sort through it and wear any of it.

I had never considered such complications really- had never had a reason to need so many layers- I think I will include a bit of verbiage on my template to say what layers are in each but I myself never find a need for more than a skirt and a shirt and the glitch pants. If an outfit is particularly see thru I add underwear-

If you have socks layer free, check out Robin Sojourner Wood's "barefoot socks" (or something like that).

This thread has gotten me thinking about a whole different approach to selling clothes. This may be a crazy bad idea, but... if the items are all copy perm, one could deliver a box that, when rezzed, walked the owner through a series of dialogs that constructed an outfit folder, tailor-made (!) to the occasion. All the items would be in the box's scary-long Contents, along with the script (and probably a notecard telling the script how to make sense of the inventory items).

The reason this scheme requires everything to have copy perm is that the folder-generating script function, llGiveInventoryList(), demands it. But as a side-effect, the box itself could just as well be copy perm, so the buyer can just rez it again and again, making a different outfit each time.

Of course, the individual items are still in the box, so the buyer who thinks the script is just dumb will still be able to use their stuff the same way as always, wading through the contents and selecting what they want.

(Of course, none of this nonsense would be necessary if only it were possible for scripts to change the owner's clothing layers. Grrr.)

Thanks, Qie!

Thankfully your opinion is not shared by the masses.

I sell prefabs and not clothing, but I think my approach to packaging is still relevant for people selling multiple items in one 'purchase'

I sell thousands of prefabs every month in this format and have never had any negative feedback from customers, and I hold consumer reviews regulally specifically including questions on packaging. If you have a well established business then I guess people don't question whether the items and perms match those that are advertised. I've never recieved an IM from a customer asking if the perms or content advertised are legit prior to purchase.

If you buy something online in RL as im sure the majority of people have done in their time then you just assume that what you get is what was advertised. Poeple seem to have the same mentality when shopping in SL.

However I'm sure that the general consensus of "this forum" will appose that view for most here are bitter, twisted creatures jaded by years of forum abuse and negativity.

As a consumer I have never checked that the perms or contents match the advertising. I just assume they do. Why would a vendor lie about that? Just bad for business. If I purchased something that didn't perform as advertised then I would expect a refund or for it to be replaced by the creator. It that doesnt happen I am going discredit that merchant in any way possible through groups im in, online forums etc requesting thousands of people boycot the business. Anyone who sells miss-advertised products in SL is doomed to fail in the long run.

I've noticed the stores I go back to the most often offer variety in the clothing they sell. When I'm buying something and notice that 2 to 4 color schemes are available in one purchace (and NOT in an inflated "Fat Pack" I get excited and almost never hesitate to click the [Buy] button. \(^_^)/

I'm just coming down from a major buying binge that included a bloody expensive schoolgirl uniform. It was nice though... All three seasonal styles were included and numbered accordingly so that I can pick&choose the look I'm after. (^_^)

My personal preference is that everything is copy + mod so that I can work out any fixed needed to get it to fit my shape... Without fear of destroying the whole thing. (T_T) Small - Medium - Large sets don't help me either, unless they're entire layout changes or different amounts of oval offset. Gladly, my shape coincidentally fits the form of most Japanese creators' work, so I'm in luck. (^_^)y

ok I'm listening! I will bop by a few shops that were mentioned, as well to check out packaging. Soon I will begin to formulate a plan muahaha

I actually have those but, if I'm wearing open-toed shoes, I want to be able to use a sock layer pedicure to (somewhat) combat the ugliness which is SL feet. And, like I said, the default pant length is a bit too short anyway.

Oh! And underwear layer pants are fabulous if you want to wear your pants tucked into your boots too.

Unless it's specifically spelled out in the advertising, I won't buy clothing over a certain price point either if I can't see precisely what I'm getting when I click 'Buy' (or Edit, when necessary).

On the prim skirt, my suggestion is if you are going to allow for various lengths, include a short, medium and long version. The stretch feature of the build tools will cause tons of issues, such as spacing the prims too far apart. Also, newer users will find it very intimidating to adjust the whole thing by hand.

That skin tag can be got rid of by setting the pants length to 99 instead of 100.

The pants are too short already!

I think selling prefabs is very different to clothes proky. For one i expect a house to be transfer. Also it is one item.

However with clothes when things are boxed up you are unable to see the layers it is offered on (this is rarely put on the display textures) and often you are not told if it is copy or trans. I have seen many dresses once uppackes which have everythign else trans cept the skirt which is copy (though why bother when it is a dress... why am i goign to transfer 1/2 a dress).

Fat Packs can be great. I sell a heap of them, but at a cheaper price than the indivdual items and given all the indivdual items in my store are under 50L a fatpack is usually about 200L to 250L

Based upon a lot of posts I have seen lately regarding clothing, my opinion is shared by many.


Wow - I did not think there was anything in my comment about disagreeing that needed a tirade, which it seems I have sparked.

For prefabs, I do not need to see the individual pieces before buying and yes, the advertising is usually correct. The issue is that on clothing, many of them do not tell you what the permissions are or what layers the items are made on. Therefore, I want to be able to see the items.

Maybe the clothing industry generates mistrust among consumers then as apposed to other industries in SL.

So would you buy a prefab or other large multiple linked object without validating the contents and perms before purchase?

Nearly all prefabs and large objects are packaged using auto aligners Rez faux/foo etc). So when you check the perms they will be different to the end product once they have been rezzed usiing the auto aligner.

So for example, all my builds are copy/mod/no transfer.

Once packaged in an with Rez Faux the perms show as copy/no mod/no transfer.

This is an obvious contradiction to the advertised perms. It never gets questioned, people pay me thousands of L$ for a build trusting that the end product will match the advertising, which it obviously does

The prefab industry is one of the largest industries in SL and also offers some of the highest priced content. Based on this fact "The masses" DO trust the perms as advertised. If they didn't it would never be as successful as it is today.

Morning all!

Yup, that was it.

Nope not a tirade, most of my posts are like that, i'm just naturally quite an obnoxious person. You'll know when i go on a tirade

See my above post, I think there are distinct differences between clothing and other industries so maybe my packaging idea would not be applicable for the OP.

This is about the extent of having items on different layers I personally deal with. I received a really gorgeous bikini as part of a sim hunt awhile back. When I opened it, there were like 10 or so different items which I assumed would be items like the bikini in different colors or perhaps a hip wrap to match, etc.

Nope...all of them were the same bikini on every layer imaginable! I ditched them all except for the top and bottom underwear layers.

If I see a lot of items in a set (besides all the obvious pieces for a given outfit) what I personally like is an item in different colors. For example, I have one outfit that was a skirt set: skirt/glitch pants, jacket and cute spaghetti strapped shirt. The skirt/pants/jacket was one color, but there were 8 different colors of the shirt included. Now I don't wear the entire set as much, but I wear one of those little shirts probably every day and you can bet when I wish to purchase an outfit, I'll be checking out that designer first.

LOL

Yeah, pretty much all of the other comments in the thread are specific to clothing designers, which I think is far different from prefabs and maybe even a lot of other items being sold.

I LOVE this idea!!! Would you mind sharing what shop that was or IM me please?

It's interesting though that people apply different techniques when purchasing different types of product. Never occured to me before.

QFT!!

OTOH - a unique piece of sculpture might be constructed out of collected pose stands...nahhhhhh

/me sends HoneyBear and Czari a hundred pose stands each.

It's better to have more layers than less.

Shirts on the underwear layer don't make sense unless it's a camisole and there is something on top of it, such as a shrug, sheer blouse or jacket. Pants on the underwear layer for the skintight look that is better for boots.

As for mod - there is no non-emotional reason to not sell no-mod clothing. It doesn't stop thieves, because they are using something else to grab your textures anyway. If someone wants to raise the crotch of their pants, let them. If their shape is such that the glitch pants needs to be shortened/lengthened to look good with the skirt, let them.

I buy prefabs very occasionally, and clothing pretty much constantly; ergo, there is more opportunity for problems with my clothing purchases and, for me at least, more concern over them.