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Yosef Okelly
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11-20-2008 08:49
From: Brann Georgia That is bound to change as we approach an age where men are little more than sperm donors and are useful where warmongering and heavy labour is required. As little more than beer and football is required to amuse them, it should not be difficult to keep them out from underfoot so we can get on with things.  And just for the record, we are dealing with generalities here so there will be exception. Many exceptions. So with that said .... Kewlness! Does "get on with things" include "stop yammering so I can hear the TV?" JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!! Really, I'm joking. Brann poked at me so I poked back. Don't take it any more seriously than playful teasing.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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11-20-2008 08:56
From: Brann Georgia That is bound to change as we approach an age where men are little more than sperm donors and are useful where warmongering and heavy labour is required. As little more than beer and football is required to amuse them, it should not be difficult to keep them out from underfoot so we can get on with things.  That is bound to change as we approach an age where women are little more than sperm receptacles and are useful where vaccuuming and the labour of childbirth is required. As little more than shoes and hair is required to amuse them it should not be difficult to keep them in the kitchen so we can get on with watching TV. Pep (See what I did . . .)
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Daros Jewell
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11-20-2008 10:12
From: Brann Georgia That is bound to change as we approach an age where men are little more than sperm donors and are useful where warmongering and heavy labour is required. As little more than beer and football is required to amuse them, it should not be difficult to keep them out from underfoot so we can get on with things.  Beer, football and FOOD! OMG how could you forget food??? Do you just expect me to listen to my liver pickle itself while I starve to death in front of the tv, woman? Where's my bacon cheeseburgers? And I want 'net porn. Lots of it. And I want it wired in with the TV so I can surf net porn with my remote control, which you are never allowed to touch. I think I've covered everything... beer, check...football... check... *thinks*
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Jonathon Darcy
All up in yo' buisness
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11-20-2008 10:33
From: Yosef Okelly First, you are asking the wrong questions if you want to be a guy.
Have you ever seen Mercat Mannor? That's about where you need to be on the evolution scale. Then, when confronted with anyone or anything, you ask yourself these questions: Can I eat it? Can it eat me? Can I put my pecker in it?
Honestly, women over analyse everything when it comes to men. The truly forward thinking and ambitious men also ask one additional question: Can it help me put my pecker in something else? Where do duty, honour and self-sacrifice fall in your hierachy of motivations? To many men duty of one sort another is their real motivation. My father is a good example. He's 55 and has had to retire due to serious ill health (a serious back injury, among other things, after he jumped onto the bonnet of a moving car to arrest a fleeing murderer - he got the guy, by the way). He has basically worked himself near to death, and watching sports uninterrupted on a saturday afternoon is the one small pleasure he has asked for in return. I think my mother realises that to refuse him that would be churlish in the extreme. She sacrificed to bring us up, too; but she sacrificed her time, not her health. I'm also not just talking about those men in dangerous public service jobs. According to the UK National Office for Statistics' Labour Force Survery 2004, the average man worked 37.4 hours a week in 2004, while the average woman worked just over 23 hours a week. Over 20% of men worked in excess of 50 hours a week, while only 4% of women did. Some women would argue that they take on more of the house work and the work of rearing the children. To that, most men would counter that they would not consider spending more time with their families to be a sacrifice. I foresee a simillar future for myself, actually, as I know that I will never want to retire. But you know what? I don't mind. The cheerful acceptance of hardship is one of the noblest qualities in men. It is, however, this very quality that makes us seem insensitive to the feelings of others. If we have to ignore our own unhappiness for the good of our families - how can we possibly have room to worry about your feelings?
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Brann Georgia
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11-20-2008 11:42
From: Daros Jewell Beer, football and FOOD! OMG how could you forget food??? Oops, sorry! Yes. Chicken wings and pizza, of course. And for you, cake! Of course there won't be any yammering, Yosef! You'll be left alone with your TV (perhaps in some large institution like a camper bot farm) and no longer be required to make conversation beyond the occasional bedroom-related grunt. 
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Yosef Okelly
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11-20-2008 11:53
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Daros Jewell
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11-20-2008 12:13
From: Jonathon Darcy Where do duty, honour and self-sacrifice fall in your hierachy of motivations? To many men duty of one sort another is their real motivation. My father is a good example. He's 55 and has had to retire due to serious ill health (a serious back injury, among other things, after he jumped onto the bonnet of a moving car to arrest a fleeing murderer - he got the guy, by the way). He has basically worked himself near to death, and watching sports uninterrupted on a saturday afternoon is the one small pleasure he has asked for in return. I think my mother realises that to refuse him that would be churlish in the extreme. She sacrificed to bring us up, too; but she sacrificed her time, not her health.
Have you ever SEEN a child born? Speaking as the son of a woman who nearly died to birth me, please don't talk about there being no health consequences to motherhood. By the way, do you have a sister? I do. Two hours with a screaming toddler in diapers and you will long for a factory job to escape to. I suggest you take up babysitting before you take up wife-hunting, if only to save yourself a good braining with a frying pan. Also, if taking care of a a family would make you feel unhappy and burdened, for the love of Pete, don't get one. No one wants a martyr for a spouse OR a father, and all that noble-nosed regret and long-suffering-ness will just get you a lumpy place on the couch and only fruitcakes and postcards from the kids at Xmas. It's not about manning up. It's about loving the life that you choose.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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11-20-2008 12:21
From: Daros Jewell Two hours with a toddler in diapers and you will long for a factory job to escape to. Nonsense Pep (The problem being, the rest of your argument gets tainted)
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Brann Georgia
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11-20-2008 12:32
From: Jonathon Darcy If we have to ignore our own unhappiness for the good of our families - - You're doing it wrong. Perhaps, if people were in less of a rush to get to the altar (or the bedroom) we would have fewer single mothers, fewer men forced into jobs they hate just to support their family, fewer people regretting their decisions. Nowhere is it written that life has to be a hardship or a sacrifice. To think that just because that was the way of your father is self-defeating. We all have choices, some of them better than others. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. Why spend the rest of your life "sacrificing" yourself? From: Jonathon Darcy Some women would argue that they take on more of the house work and the work of rearing the children. To that, most men would counter that they would not consider spending more time with their families to be a sacrifice. "more of the housework" - More? I would guess they take on 90% of whatever housework doesn't involve mowing the lawn (yes, generalizing, but so are you). If men "would consider" being more family oriented, why don't they? Get off the couch already 
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-20-2008 21:22
From: Yosef Okelly Brann poked at me so I poked back. So that's what I need to do to get poked by you. 
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11-20-2008 21:23
From: Pserendipity Daniels That is bound to change as we approach an age where women are little more than sperm receptacles and are useful where vaccuuming and the labour of childbirth is required. As little more than shoes and hair is required to amuse them it should not be difficult to keep them in the kitchen so we can get on with watching TV. Pep (See what I did . . .) Okay - touche
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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-20-2008 21:24
From: Brann Georgia Of course there won't be any yammering, Yosef! You'll be left alone with your TV (perhaps in some large institution like a camper bot farm) and no longer be required to make conversation beyond the occasional bedroom-related grunt.  Noooooo - we want talk from Yosef and any other man that can sweet talk me like that.
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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-20-2008 21:29
From: Jonathon Darcy Where do duty, honour and self-sacrifice fall in your hierachy of motivations? To many men duty of one sort another is their real motivation. My father is a good example. He's 55 and has had to retire due to serious ill health (a serious back injury, among other things, after he jumped onto the bonnet of a moving car to arrest a fleeing murderer - he got the guy, by the way). He has basically worked himself near to death, and watching sports uninterrupted on a saturday afternoon is the one small pleasure he has asked for in return. I think my mother realises that to refuse him that would be churlish in the extreme. She sacrificed to bring us up, too; but she sacrificed her time, not her health. I'm also not just talking about those men in dangerous public service jobs. According to the UK National Office for Statistics' Labour Force Survery 2004, the average man worked 37.4 hours a week in 2004, while the average woman worked just over 23 hours a week. Over 20% of men worked in excess of 50 hours a week, while only 4% of women did. Some women would argue that they take on more of the house work and the work of rearing the children. To that, most men would counter that they would not consider spending more time with their families to be a sacrifice. I foresee a simillar future for myself, actually, as I know that I will never want to retire. But you know what? I don't mind. The cheerful acceptance of hardship is one of the noblest qualities in men. It is, however, this very quality that makes us seem insensitive to the feelings of others. If we have to ignore our own unhappiness for the good of our families - how can we possibly have room to worry about your feelings? I don't know what to do other than just shake my head at this. It is your choice whether or not to be happy in life and whether or not to consider your choices as sacrifices. If I was married to you, regardless of how many children and what ages, I would prefer to free you from that "burden" and just deal with it myself.
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Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
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Jonathon Darcy
All up in yo' buisness
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11-21-2008 03:42
From: LittleMe Jewell I don't know what to do other than just shake my head at this. It is your choice whether or not to be happy in life and whether or not to consider your choices as sacrifices. If I was married to you, regardless of how many children and what ages, I would prefer to free you from that "burden" and just deal with it myself. If everyone thought like you, there would be no couples at all. The point is, you would never know that I was unhappy because being unhappy quietly without inconveniencing anyone else is my job as a man. It's the way things are, always have been and always will be. Male unhappiness is not an aberration - it's the natural order of things. The fact is, we're not happy but we choose not to write songs about it or go on day time television to talk about it and there are no political movements trying to reverse it.
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Jonathon Darcy
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11-21-2008 03:44
From: Daros Jewell
Also, if taking care of a a family would make you feel unhappy and burdened, for the love of Pete, don't get one. No one wants a martyr for a spouse OR a father, and all that noble-nosed regret and long-suffering-ness will just get you a lumpy place on the couch and only fruitcakes and postcards from the kids at Xmas.
I can guarantee you that most middle aged men are unhappy and dissatisfied. If they were happy, there would be no such thing as a mid-life crisis. Sadly, if we followed your advice, no children would ever be born except as an accidental result of one night stands.
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11-21-2008 04:46
From: Jonathon Darcy I can guarantee you that most middle aged men are unhappy and dissatisfied. Nonsensical undemonstrable self-serving posturing From: Jonathon Darcy If they were happy, there would be no such thing as a mid-life crisis. Illogical non-sequitur From: Jonathon Darcy Sadly, if we followed your advice, no children would ever be born except as an accidental result of one night stands. Another leap of faith rather than reasoned argument. Are you perhaps having an early-life crisis of unhappiness and dissatisfaction yourself? Pep (You may want to change your profile quote so it spells business correctly as well)
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Brann Georgia
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11-21-2008 05:08
Jonathan, for crying out loud!
There are enough people in the world, happily replicating without need of your contribution.
Don't have kids, don't get married if it'll be a hardship. I can't think of a single woman that wants a martyr slouching on the couch waiting for life to end. Get some counselling and learn how to live your life happily and single!
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Jerboa Haystack
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11-21-2008 05:17
From: Jonathon Darcy I can guarantee you that most middle aged men are unhappy and dissatisfied. If they were happy, there would be no such thing as a mid-life crisis. Sadly, if we followed your advice, no children would ever be born except as an accidental result of one night stands. Ahem....dude...therapy...seriously... Someone needs to get some perspective, and learn how to count their blessings.
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Yosef Okelly
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11-21-2008 06:26
From: Jonathon Darcy I can guarantee you that most middle aged men are unhappy and dissatisfied. Got a site or survey or some hard numbers to go with this? I'm 47, happy and loving my mid-life crisis. It's like being 18 with cash.
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Yosef Okelly
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11-21-2008 06:27
From: Jerboa Haystack Ahem....dude...therapy...seriously...
Someone needs to get some Prosac and learn how to count their blessings. Fixed it for you.
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Yosef Okelly
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11-21-2008 07:05
From: LittleMe Jewell So that's what I need to do to get poked by you.  You mean again? OMG! Most girls just put me on mute ....
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LittleMe Jewell
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11-21-2008 08:02
From: Jonathon Darcy The point is, you would never know that I was unhappy because being unhappy quietly without inconveniencing anyone else is my job as a man. If you truly believe that statement then you apparently do not even know what happiness looks like. If the woman is really not paying attention to things around her, then she might not realize that you are unhappy, but if she is at all away of her surroundings, she will know that you are nothing more than an extremely bitter and hurt lump on the couch. Not to mention the fact that there would be absolutely no way of making love to you without knowing whether or not you are happy -- unless she is also only doing it out of a sense of obligation. If you really do believe the things you write and truly live your life that way, I have a lot of pity for you........ and you definitely need some serious help -- both drugs and therapy.
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