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Note from landlord about price increase

Hiawatha Kapelusz
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12-30-2008 15:39
I just got this message from my landlord about the new price increase and cannot unsterstand what he means, can someone help me work out what it means please ?
Ohh and i also just moved into my new place a couple of days ago ?

here it is ....



Hello, i need to change monthly tier fee for 6600+1350(about 5USD)=7950linden per 16384sqm land from 1/1st,becouse Linden Lab(game company) will raise same,they will raise 5USD per 16384sqm land from 1/1st.

and your prorated tier fee for 1/1st or before 1/1st is 2450 linden,becouse payment day for tier fee is every 1st of the month or before 1st of the month,i need to prorate your secound month tier fee,thank you,have a nice day.
Dagmar Heideman
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12-30-2008 16:04
It means you are living on an Open Space Sim. Linden Lab is raising the monthly tier on Open Space Sims that are maintaining the same prim allowance (they will be called Homestead Sims) by $20 per month starting in January. Your landlord is simply passing the cost on to you by increasing your rent. It will go up another $30 in July so if you continue to live there then you can expect the rent to go up again in July (assuming the sim is even still there in July).
Jezebella Desmoulins
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12-30-2008 16:07
You're living on an "open space" island and your landlord is raising your L$ rent because Linden Lab is increasing the US$ tier for open space sims starting in January. A bit of forewarning: another increase will be coming a few months later.

The second paragraph about pro-rating your tier seems to say that this particular landlord wants all rents due on the 1st of the month, and since you moved in partway through this month you will owe a partial month's rent.
Bella Posaner
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12-30-2008 16:09
I would have thought you'd pay the difference of 1350, not sure where the 2450 comes from. I'd also have thought you wouldn't have to pay the increase until your next rent is due.

I understand the first part the second paragraph makes little sense to me.
Bella Posaner
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12-30-2008 16:11
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
You're living on an "open space" island and your landlord is raising your L$ rent because Linden Lab is increasing the US$ tier for open space sims starting in January. A bit of forewarning: another increase will be coming a few months later.

The second paragraph about pro-rating your tier seems to say that this particular landlord wants all rents due on the 1st of the month, and since you moved in partway through this month you will owe a partial month's rent.

But she only moved there are couple of days ago, can the landlord do that?
Cristalle Karami
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12-30-2008 16:15
I think she paid for a full month upon moving in, and her second month is prorated because she moved in shortly before the 1st of the month in this month.
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Bella Posaner
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12-30-2008 16:19
From: Cristalle Karami
I think she paid for a full month upon moving in, and her second month is prorated because she moved in shortly before the 1st of the month in this month.

Oh yes, so the 2nd months rent is the 2450, taking into account what has been paid already and the next payment will be the full amount including the increase.
Jezebella Desmoulins
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12-30-2008 16:22
From: Cristalle Karami
I think she paid for a full month upon moving in, and her second month is prorated because she moved in shortly before the 1st of the month in this month.


I'm just guessing here since there's not quite enough info in the OP to know for sure... but if she paid 6600 when she moved in a few days ago, the landlord seems to be saying that by January 1st he needs 1350 for the rent increase plus 1150 for the partial month, total of 2450.

1150 / 6600 old rent = about 5 days worth of December.
Jezebella Desmoulins
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12-30-2008 16:26
From: Bella Posaner
But she only moved there are couple of days ago, can the landlord do that?


In SL, a landlord can do anything he wants. Perhaps this landlord's existing tenants received notice of the increase earlier in the month.
Dagmar Heideman
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12-30-2008 16:27
It's 1350 per 16,384 sqm. The OP did not state how many sqm he rents but presumably it is more than that. Generally speaking the landlord can change rent at any time. Most SL land covenants/leases state that prices are subject to change without notice and even if they do not, one is basically on the land at the pleasure of the estate owner, so the estate owner can do whatever they want and there is little recourse for the estate tenant. This is why researching one's estate landlord's reputation is important (in direct proportion to how important the money one is laying out for rent for a tenant).

It sounds like the OP's estate landlord is not willing to absorb even the interim cost. It also sounds like the estate landlord did not disclose the increase when he or she was perfectly able to do so at the time the tenant paid the current rent. It's possible it was disclosed in one of the various notecards one is supposed to read from the rental box or in the land covenants and the OP ignored it, but given the wording of the message it sounds like this change in rent was not forewarned. Personally I would not rent from a landlord that does that. That kind of deliberate lack of disclosure, change in rent without warning and general poor communication would lead me to believe that he or she would not be responsive to my needs as a tenant in general.
Hiawatha Kapelusz
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thank you for your replies everyone
12-30-2008 19:41
its this bit i do not understand >>>>

and your prorated tier fee for 1/1st or before 1/1st is 2450 linden,becouse payment day for tier fee is every 1st of the month or before 1st of the month,i need to prorate your secound month tier fee,thank you,have a nice day.

I only started renting this place since the 28th Dec 2008 .. 4 days ago .. how can I have to pay more money for a new month ?

Why do I have to pay 2450 xtra, I have only been here since the 28th

it does not make sense to me ?


The LL is offline or not answering, I am just interested to see if anyone else is having problems or being ripped off with the new charges coming into effect on the 5th of Jan.
Jezebella Desmoulins
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12-30-2008 19:44
From: Hiawatha Kapelusz
its this bit i do not understand >>>>

and your prorated tier fee for 1/1st or before 1/1st is 2450 linden,becouse payment day for tier fee is every 1st of the month or before 1st of the month,i need to prorate your secound month tier fee,thank you,have a nice day.

I only started renting this place since the 28th Dec 2008 days .. how can I have to pay more money for a new month ?

Why do I have to pay 2450 xtra, I have only been here since the 28th

it does not make sense to me ?


The LL is offline or not answering, I am just interested to see if anyone else is having problems or being ripped off with the new charges coming into effect on the 5th of Jan.


How much did you pay on 28th December? Was it 6600? If so, then it sounds like your landlord wants the additional 1350 that he's raising the rent for January, plus 1100 more to cover the extra days so that your next rent payment is the 1st of February.
Bella Posaner
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12-30-2008 19:57
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
How much did you pay on 28th December? Was it 6600? If so, then it sounds like your landlord wants the additional 1350 that he's raising the rent for January, plus 1100 more to cover the extra days so that your next rent payment is the 1st of February.

Yes I think that's what is happening too, but 1100 is more than 4 days, if it's divided by 6600.
Hiawatha Kapelusz
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12-30-2008 19:59
yes your right .. I paid 6600


so ... 6600 divided by 31 days is 212.90 a day

x 4 is the days I have been here .. 851.61, so should I be paying 851.61 + the 1350?

god know whats going on in my head .. i don't do numbers really well, I'm more of an arty brain.
Jezebella Desmoulins
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12-30-2008 22:02
From: Hiawatha Kapelusz
yes your right .. I paid 6600


so ... 6600 divided by 31 days is 212.90 a day

x 4 is the days I have been here .. 851.61, so should I be paying 851.61 + the 1350?

god know whats going on in my head .. i don't do numbers really well, I'm more of an arty brain.


He might be calculating it using the new rent, 7950 / 31 = 256, x 4 days = 1025, and he's rounding up to 1100 for whatever reason. But your best bet is to just ask him.
Ceka Cianci
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12-30-2008 23:34
the only thing i can figure that even comes close is that your landlord is off by a couple dollars or that you have 5 days instead of 4..did you make the rental arangement the day before you moved in..if so i come up with this lol

rent at 6600.00
prorated 5 days at 212.90 per day is 1064.50
1064.50 from the 6600.00 is 5535.50
so with the increase in rent which will be 1350.00
you need to come up with 1350.00 for the increase + 1064.50 that was used from the 6600 which =7950.00
lol
so it's like this
6600.00 - 1064.50 =5535.50
1064.50+1350.00 =2414.50

5535.50 +2414.50 =7950.00
:D
where your landlod got 2450 from i don't know..probably just rounding off to confuse us all lol
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12-30-2008 23:49
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
He might be calculating it using the new rent, 7950 / 31 = 256, x 4 days = 1025, and he's rounding up to 1100 for whatever reason. But your best bet is to just ask him.

He's probably using a 30-day month, at which point it is 265 x 4 days, and 1060L.
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12-31-2008 03:10
It would have been nice if the landlord could actually communicate. :(
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12-31-2008 03:12
Rent from me instead. I don't do that kind of silly stuff with my tenants.
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12-31-2008 03:14
/me runs screaming from math
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Cael Merryman
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12-31-2008 03:22
From: Bella Posaner
Oh yes, so the 2nd months rent is the 2450, taking into account what has been paid already and the next payment will be the full amount including the increase.


It is still a miscalculation. The OP would owe for the 4 days of December a total of L$ 851.61 and a total of (per the landlord) L$ 7950 for January, for a grand total of L$ 8801.61. That means that she should be paying a total of L$ 2201.61 to bring the period December 28, 2008 to January 31, 2009 current.

I have seen probably every other rent calculation wrong to some degree. Most people don't check unless the difference is major, but even the best landlords make mistakes - they are juggling a lot of stuff and maybe math or accounting isn't why they are in this after all. Maybe the best aren't. So speaking as a CPA that has seen a lot worse from honest business people in RL, I would cut them some slack, go prepared, cut and paste the info to a note and present it to the landlord with as little drama as possible and see what happens.
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12-31-2008 06:20
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12-31-2008 08:01
From: Cael Merryman
It is still a miscalculation. The OP would owe for the 4 days of December a total of L$ 851.61 and a total of (per the landlord) L$ 7950 for January, for a grand total of L$ 8801.61. That means that she should be paying a total of L$ 2201.61 to bring the period December 28, 2008 to January 31, 2009 current.

I have seen probably every other rent calculation wrong to some degree. Most people don't check unless the difference is major, but even the best landlords make mistakes - they are juggling a lot of stuff and maybe math or accounting isn't why they are in this after all. Maybe the best aren't. So speaking as a CPA that has seen a lot worse from honest business people in RL, I would cut them some slack, go prepared, cut and paste the info to a note and present it to the landlord with as little drama as possible and see what happens.

/me agrees, we weren't trying to correct the amount, just trying to figure out what the heck the landlord was doing.
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12-31-2008 08:28
From: Cristalle Karami
/me agrees, we weren't trying to correct the amount, just trying to figure out what the heck the landlord was doing.


Apparently what the landlord was doing is magic math, making numbers appear and disappear until they are happy with the results.
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12-31-2008 08:39
From: Warda Kawabata
Rent from me instead. I don't do that kind of silly stuff with my tenants.

exactly..i mean i just got 6600.00 i am not gonna prorate for a few days on a place that has probably been empty for a few weeks already..
i mean everyone knows about this increase for how long now?
they wait until after they get the money and a few days in to say the rent is going up?
i would already be looking for another place after this coming month was over.

it's penny pinching in a bad market..
the whole note just sounded like double talk lol
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