Calling out someone's RL sex in the forums - right or wrong?
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DPB Yakan
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05-25-2009 18:46
From: Solanghe Sarlo Yes but many pages of posts before, and I and apparently a rather large group of individuals hadn't read it, thus it was news to us. I dont think any such admission was made. Although it is possible I missed it, I dont think I missed anything in that thread. If I am right in this regard that makes the accusation that much worse since it was presented as if fact (supposedly based on a post the accused made earlier), when as far as I can see, no such admission has been made, period. Disclosing non public factual RL information is a TOS violation and wrong, period. Posting false RL information in an attempt to harass, discredit, silence (etc.) anyone would also be a TOS violation and wrong, period. |
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05-25-2009 18:51
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Solanghe Sarlo
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05-25-2009 19:10
From: DPB Yakan I dont think any such admission was made. Although it is possible I missed it, I dont think I missed anything in that thread. No, the so called admission was (supposedly) made in a previous thread, not the one in question.
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05-25-2009 19:15
From: DPB Yakan Posting false RL information in an attempt to harass, discredit, silence (etc.) anyone would also be a TOS violation and wrong, period. Especially gross considering "silencing" RL people was supposedly one of the group's main objections to certain SL roleplays, and a core reason for ARing and banning what they found distasteful. Irony. |
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05-25-2009 19:16
From: Pserendipity Daniels You would easily know if it was a man saying things about feelings.
Pep (He would use one sentence; a woman would go on and on and on . . . ) Or a woman would say it all at once, a man would post repeatedly? ;p |
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Ian Nider
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05-25-2009 19:30
From: Briana Dawson I was unfortunately reading a thread that has seriously devolved into something i cannot even follow. And during that thread I noticed someone claimed that a poster in the thread was a different RL sex than their SL sex based on something that poster must have said in previous past threads.
Do you think this is right?
Should a poster be called out like that? Especially when it is not evident to everyone? I used to think it was wrong to play another gender and would have wanted it outed, that had to do with the place I used to go to online chat, where it was considered, with good reason, deceitful. But here in SL, after learning a bit of SL culture I'd say I'd say it doesn't matter, it's not seen or felt as a deciet by most people. SL is about being any creature/thing you want to be, people don't expect to know what gender another is in real life, it is so much less about this one thing. I've always believed it rude to try and force unwanted ideas onto an unwilling group. So you accept and adjust or piss off elsewhere. If I needed/wanted to know for personal reasons I'd ask via phone. So in general I'd say it was wrong if it was against the outed persons wishes.
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Melita Magic
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05-25-2009 19:34
I just think it's theirs to tell who they want to tell - whatever RL details those might be. LL thinks so too.
Also, telling one person doesn't equal telling the rest of a group or the whole grid/forums, from what I understand in the TOS.
I'm not sure I caught on to who was 'outed' in that other thread, or how. I take that particular poster's utterings with a whole bag full of salt, anyway.
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samatha Congrejo
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05-25-2009 19:41
From: Melita Magic I just think it's theirs to tell who they want to tell - whatever RL details those might be. LL thinks so too.
Also, telling one person doesn't equal telling the rest of a group or the whole grid/forums, from what I understand in the TOS.
I'm not sure I caught on to who was 'outed' in that other thread, or how. I take that particular poster's utterings with a whole bag full of salt, anyway. You are completely correct, TOS clearly states it is not prmissable to disclose real life information about anyone in sl or in these forums, no matter how you came to know the information. In other words, if I or anyone shares real life informaition with you or even with a group in a sim chat, you still have no right to repeat it outside the group i told. Sincerely, Samatha Congrejo |
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Melita Magic
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05-25-2009 19:45
Makes sense, samantha.
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05-25-2009 21:04
From: Pserendipity Daniels You would easily know if it was a man saying things about feelings.
Pep (He would use one sentence; a woman would go on and on and on . . . ) not all women
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05-25-2009 23:41
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05-26-2009 02:02
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05-26-2009 02:03
From: Melita Magic Or a woman would say it all at once There isn't enough time left until the end of the universe for that.  Pep (But I applaud you all for trying.)
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05-26-2009 02:08
Post #28 From: Amaranthim Talon No- it's pining for the fjords. Post #61 From: Katheryne Helendale 'E's not dead! E's pining for the fjords! Hello . . . helllooo . . . helllllloooooo! Pep (Hell of an echo in these fjords)
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05-26-2009 02:13
From: Pserendipity Daniels Post #28 Post #61
Hello . . . helllooo . . . helllllloooooo!
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Pserendipity Daniels
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05-26-2009 02:23
From: Katheryne Helendale I post as I read. I can't help it if great minds think alike! I recommend reading the whole thread before posting. Pep (That way it doesn't make you look as if you haven't read the thread before posting.)
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Vi Shenley
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05-26-2009 02:28
But isn't taking issues from a closed and locked thread and starting a new thread with them also against the forum rules?
This whole thread is starting to sound like a vendetta to me.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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05-26-2009 02:46
From: Vi Shenley But isn't taking issues from a closed and locked thread and starting a new thread with them also against the forum rules?
This whole thread is starting to sound like a vendetta to me.
Vi IMO discussion of the issue as a matter of principle is an entirely valid exploration of one of the many "grey areas" in the Community Standards, particularly since they attempt - and I would say, fail - in so many ways to cover both inworld and forum behaviour in a consistent fashion. Nevertheless, I concur with you about the direction in which the thread appears to have been moved by those with metaphorical axes to grind. Pep (Lock the thread now, I say, or return it to an impersonal discussion of the moral issues involved. )
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05-26-2009 02:51
From: samatha Congrejo You are completely correct, TOS clearly states it is not prmissable to disclose real life information about anyone in sl or in these forums, no matter how you came to know the information.
In other words, if I or anyone shares real life informaition with you or even with a group in a sim chat, you still have no right to repeat it outside the group i told.
Sincerely,
Samatha Congrejo That is not correct. The TOS does not clearly state anything about real life information. Where it is clearly stated is in the Community Standards (CS), and here it says, under Disclosure: "Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy." So if someone says in their first page of their profile, I am a male from New York, then you may repeat it. I am a male from Hertfordshire in England. THAP |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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05-26-2009 02:58
From: TooHighA Price That is not correct. The TOS does not clearly state anything about real life information. Where it is clearly stated is in the Community Standards (CS), and here it says, under Disclosure:
"Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy." So if someone says in their first page of their profile, I am a male from New York, then you may repeat it.
I am a male from Hertfordshire in England.
THAP From Hertfordshire but now living in Holland? Pep (Ambiguity unintentional I am sure )
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05-26-2009 03:12
From: Pserendipity Daniels From Hertfordshire but now living in Holland? Pep (Ambiguity unintentional I am sure ) Holland? Ambiguity? (checks post for signs of tulips and windmills). No, I give in, how did you infer that? THAP |
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05-26-2009 03:27
From: Vi Shenley But isn't taking issues from a closed and locked thread and starting a new thread with them also against the forum rules?
This whole thread is starting to sound like a vendetta to me.
Vi What locked thread? What vendetta? Why??? |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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05-26-2009 04:59
From: TooHighA Price Holland? Ambiguity? (checks post for signs of tulips and windmills).
No, I give in, how did you infer that?
THAP Pep (Comfortable with alts  )
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05-26-2009 05:07
From: Pserendipity Daniels Me too, I have three, but 'a Cardboard box in the middle of the motorway' = Holland?? THAP |
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05-26-2009 05:11
From: Briana Dawson What locked thread? From: Briana Dawson's Original Post I was unfortunately reading a thread that has seriously devolved into something i cannot even follow. From: Briana Dawson What vendetta? From: Briana Dawson's Original Post And during that thread I noticed someone claimed that a poster in the thread was a different RL sex than their SL sex based on something that poster must have said in previous past threads. From: Briana Dawson Why??? From: Briana Dawson's Original Post Do you think this is right? Should a poster be called out like that? Especially when it is not evident to everyone? Pep (Pleased to be of assistance)
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