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L$1 a freebie or not ?

Shinru Spyker
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09-11-2008 14:18
No, if you say it is a freebie, you are saying that it is 0L.

If it is 1L then just say $1L items!"
Winter Ventura
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09-11-2008 14:21
From: Anya Ristow
Maybe scripted vendors should have a touch-to-acquire mode? Is there a reason they must use the money event?

Thanks for the thorough explanation, BTW.


It's hard to get a commercial networked vendor system to completely customize their system just for your needs.

There are times when you just have to work with what you've got. Not everyone is willing to put a lot of thought and effort into providing "the best" vendor system, particularly for a freebie. Since the 1L fee is so commonplace, many people don't even bother trying. They just set their vendor to 1L, because their competition sets theirs to 1L. Spending tthe time, and possibly money, to get a customized, networked, touch-driven vending system with a centralized server.. with all the features some people want for tracking which locations are doing more sales, which items getting more interest, etc... for a freebie..

When you could just set it for 1L, and 90% of the people would buy it anyways.. and you wouldn't HAVE to do the work... and you'd make a little spare change for NOT bothering to do any additional work...

Which do you think people are likely to choose?

There's a few hair shops and skin shops, where you touch to get the demo, and pay to buy the item.. but those aren't as commonplace as the good ol 1L demo.
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Ann Launay
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09-11-2008 14:38
From: Yosef Okelly
That's just over 3 centavos in Mexico :)

Yes, but I'm a damned self-centered American, and it isn't any monetary denomination *I'm* familiar with. :p
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09-11-2008 14:56
Paying one linden for something means it is not free.

It's always bugged me that something says "freebie" - esp at those big freebie malls - and when you click on stuff, it costs 1L.

I have a friend who is trying, as a temporary experiment, to look just for freebies. This discrepancy is driving her crazy.

I am not opposed to paying 1L for something; I'm opposed to the false advertising.
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09-11-2008 16:51
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
it used to be that L$0 transactions were NOT tracked in any way in account history. As a work around to track popularity of items, L$1 was charged - about 1/3rd of a penny - I've never understood the gripe.

that was then, this is now. only NOW matters. L$0 sales can be tracked.
Thales Infinity
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09-11-2008 17:04
From: Salvador Nakamura
i sell many L$1 items, mostly sounds, some textures or silly/odd creations

once in a while i will receive a complaint about L$1 not beeing free ?
and will be accused for false advertizing ?

since i came to sl i have taken to the belief L$1 is a freebie, i bought many myself and didnt feel tricked ?

So whats the opinion here ?

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You need to re track where your beliefs originate.

Free Content?
Thales Infinity
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09-11-2008 17:11
From: Salvador Nakamura
i sell many L$1 items, mostly sounds, some textures or silly/odd creations

once in a while i will receive a complaint about L$1 not beeing free ?
and will be accused for false advertizing ?

since i came to sl i have taken to the belief L$1 is a freebie, i bought many myself and didnt feel tricked ?

So whats the opinion here ?

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if I put a $L 1 price on it is it "Free"?
Ricardo Harris
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09-11-2008 17:16
If any amount of money is being charged then it's not considered a freebie. The word says it all "free"-bie.
4Gotten Destiny
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09-11-2008 17:25
No it is not.

I hate shop owners that advertise "freebie" only to get there and see that it is "1L" "2L and all the way up to "10L".

It is false advertisment and seriously needs to stop.

Free means free.

Free= Zero, nothing, nada. Given without charge!
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eku Zhong
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09-11-2008 17:31
its not a freebie
anyway
Dollarbie is a great term and is Dollarby followers are increasing. On SLmame, the japanese bloggers site.. you can hop from Dollarbie to Dollarbie as the new blogs scroll in and pick up some very decent original items.

I offer Dollarbies in my store.. some of them simple items .. some of them items that took me a lot of time and effort..

why.. because its great PR. todays dollarbie hunter is tomorrows honored customer..

free is free and 1L$ is 1L$
Clubside Granville
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09-11-2008 17:40
How is this even a question? Free means you take it for nothing. Not L$1, not a wood cube, not a kind word, asking for anything in return means there's a price attached.
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09-11-2008 17:43
Advertising freebies and charging $L1 is false advertising
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09-11-2008 17:51
People used to charge 1L because 0L transfers weren't noted. That changed a long time ago; new free accounts get no stipend and may need help getting to the point where they want to put money into their account.

Answer: 1L might just as well be 100L if the person has no money.
Gabriele Graves
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09-11-2008 18:32
Another thing to add to the mix is that scripted "Pay" vendors cannot be paid L$0 - that is an LSL limitation they can be paid a minimum of L$1 only.

However I put all my freebies in ordinary boxes to use with "Buy" for L$0 because I think if you call it "free" then it should be free. Call it a dollarbie if you want to charge L$1 - then there is no misunderstanding.
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Amy Faddoul
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09-11-2008 18:48
Is it still that hard to put payment info on file and buy some stinkin lindens? Screw the new people. Let em get a job. Or put payment info on file. If they for some reason can't. Like they are in lower Batswanathiopiastan and thier only form of currency is pig shit. Well. They should get a special dispensation. Everyone else. Buy some damned money or hit a tree. One Linden is free. If they are already not paying a damn thing to use the platform, in essense. Everything is farkin free anyways. Toss em under a bus.
Rhaorth Antonelli
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09-11-2008 18:55
stragely I have found that I sell more of my dollarbies than I do my actual freebies hehe

ain't that a kicker

(and I do not mean overall dollarbie to freebie, I mean one on one)

heck I even finally got the dollarbies listed on slex and they are selling there too

it all adds up, especially slex, as they do not take a cut on the 1L items, so sell a few of those and it makes up for the stuff that does get cut

I still would love to know how to create my own website that would deliver my stuff in world (like SLEX does but not through them)
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Gabriele Graves
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09-11-2008 18:57
From: Amy Faddoul
Is it still that hard to put payment info on file and buy some stinkin lindens? Screw the new people. Let em get a job. Or put payment info on file. If they for some reason can't. Like they are in lower Batswanathiopiastan and thier only form of currency is pig shit. Well. They should get a special dispensation. Everyone else. Buy some damned money or hit a tree. One Linden is free. If they are already not paying a damn thing to use the platform, in essense. Everything is farkin free anyways. Toss em under a bus.
It is not just new people or people without payment info on file. I have observed quite a few older residents with payment info on file skip dollarbies and only take the true freebies. I think for a lot of people it is just the practice of saying it is something it is not that they object to. Something to do with human nature I expect, principles or something.

I make all mine L$0 because I use the opportunity to move my products more quickly into the market than sales alone would do. So in effect the people taking my free stuff advertise it for me when they use it - it is called seeding your market and I figure if i was happy to sell it for a dollar than I should be happy to give it away too.
Another point is that people collecting freebies are in effect looking at your products and can potentially become customers, that is why they are placed next to the things you want them to buy :)

Let me be clear again, it is not the newbies or people with no money exclusively that avoid freebies that cost L$1 - lots of other people take exception to them also.
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09-11-2008 21:47
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
Time for a history lesson with Uncle FlipperPA! :)

Adding to Winter's excellent summary, it used to be that L$0 transactions were NOT tracked in any way in account history. As a work around to track popularity of items, L$1 was charged - about 1/3rd of a penny - I've never understood the gripe.

Then again, I've never understood why people expect customer service on items they get for free - or for less than the cost of a soda. If you go to buy a soda, and it doesn't come out of the machine, would you really contact Coca Cola demanding satisfaction? I consider my own time a little more valuable than that.

I guess it is part of the role play.

[Disclaimer: I've been told I have excellent customer service.]

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Remember we used to have this debate way back when also?

LOL

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09-12-2008 06:02
From: Dagmar Heideman
If one has the resources to have a computer capable of running Second Life and a high speed connection it's unlikely that one lacks the ability to purchase L$.


Russia. Moscow, the city of giant city-wide LANs and Sunrise, hypermarket of cheap hardware. And almost nobody has credit cards capable of internet transactions. For most payments that would be taken by credit cards otherwise, there's several citywide networks of terminals you feed cash into. None of them support PayPal, because PayPal discriminates against Russian banks and prevents you from extracting money out of it in Russia.

Being able to afford L$ does not imply being capable of purchasing L$, and people cannot be held responsible for the arrogance of American payment services or the hurdles provided by local banks.
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09-12-2008 06:07
From: Rika Watanabe
Russia. Moscow, the city of giant city-wide LANs and Sunrise, hypermarket of cheap hardware. And almost nobody has credit cards capable of internet transactions. For most payments that would be taken by credit cards otherwise, there's several citywide networks of terminals you feed cash into.


In Soviet Russia, ATM take money from you.









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09-12-2008 06:11
From: Beezle Warburton
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I'll have you know, that in Soviet Russia, Russians comment on YOU. :)
Chris Norse
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09-12-2008 06:45
From: Rika Watanabe
Russia. Moscow, the city of giant city-wide LANs and Sunrise, hypermarket of cheap hardware. And almost nobody has credit cards capable of internet transactions. For most payments that would be taken by credit cards otherwise, there's several citywide networks of terminals you feed cash into. None of them support PayPal, because PayPal discriminates against Russian banks and prevents you from extracting money out of it in Russia.

Being able to afford L$ does not imply being capable of purchasing L$, and people cannot be held responsible for the arrogance of American payment services or the hurdles provided by local banks.



Then work to change your local circumstances. Why should American payment services take the risks of operating in that environment?
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09-12-2008 06:47
From: Chris Norse
Then work to change your local circumstances. Why should American payment services take the risks of operating in that environment?


Because they are the ones that want our money.
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09-13-2008 01:30
From: Rika Watanabe
Because they are the ones that want our money.


Russians prefer to launder their money by buying soccer teams

Pep (which means America loses out)
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Kitty Barnett
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09-13-2008 08:02
From: Rika Watanabe
Russia
# Russian residents: 1539
% of total active residents: 0.29%

You have to come up with a country that isn't statistically insignificant to make the case.

Just because a few thousand people out of a million can't have access to the means to buy L$ (not that I buy that someone who *wants* to can't get a credit card regardless of where they live) doesn't negate the fact that the overwhelming majority absolutely can.
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