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Advice on Bullying - How to make Lindens act on an Abuse Report?

Darien Caldwell
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09-04-2009 09:29
From: Sindy Tsure
Uh.. You can go to forums.secondlife.com and see how lots of people feel about LL and whether they are incapable of doing any wrong.


Indeed, but I think they are two levels of wrong. One is the "SL doesn't work right" kind of wrong that doesn't really hurt anyone substantially.

The other is "Someone in power mentally abused someone else" kind of wrong, that has real, tangible Real Life implications. Mental Abuse is a serious thing. And having put this in writing, I think I finally understand why this subject gets me worked up so much. It's jabbing at an old wound of mine.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-04-2009 09:30
The problem here may be that Darien, I take it, is speaking largely in the abstract, but those responding to her are taking her comments to suggest that an investigation needs to be launched into THIS particular case.

It's hard, surely, to disagree with Darien's main point here: if there IS evidence of wrong doing by a Linden, then of course it should be investigated. Does anyone really disagree? Would LL disagree, in principle? I doubt it.

Darien is also arguing, I take it, that people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the allegation that a Linden might be involved in this case. Which, in principle, also seems to me sound.

That said, I haven't seen nearly enough evidence in THIS case to warrant an "investigation" of any sort. But Darien's broad principle surely applies?
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Sindy Tsure
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09-04-2009 09:38
From: Darien Caldwell
... And having put this in writing, I think I finally understand why this subject gets me worked up so much. It's jabbing at an old wound of mine.

I'm sorry to hear that but it doesn't mean that every accusal should be assumed true.

Go back and re-read this thread, Darien. This has all the markings of some lame griefer and none of what I'd expect to see of actual abuse of Linden power. Either way, the OP has been told by almost everybody that it should be reported to LL - if it's truely a Linden alt doing this, I do indeed believe that the gteam will take action and there will be one less person with Linden as a last name.
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Lindal Kidd
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09-04-2009 09:53
Please...

Sindy's right, the most likely case is that it's some idiot posing as an LL employee.

But Darien's right too...the situation should be investigated, and if it DOES turn out that it's really an LL employee...well, the OP deserves justice every bit as much (if not more than) the previous situation.

Either way: The OP should AR and keep AR'ing, with as much supporting documentation as possible.
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09-04-2009 10:08
From: Lindal Kidd
Please...

Sindy's right, the most likely case is that it's some idiot posing as an LL employee.

But Darien's right too...the situation should be investigated, and if it DOES turn out that it's really an LL employee...well, the OP deserves justice every bit as much (if not more than) the previous situation.

Either way: The OP should AR and keep AR'ing, with as much supporting documentation as possible.

This, exactly.
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09-04-2009 10:21
From: Darien Caldwell
There has been a plethora of examples of Lindens abusing residents in the past.


Where?
When?
How?
Let's see proof of even one... let alone a plethora.
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Innula Zenovka
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09-04-2009 10:34
From: Darien Caldwell
It's just an example of people ignoring the allegations and blaming the victim, same as we are seeing here.
I don't think anyone was blaming the victim, Dari. I took people's reaction as being that the victim shouldn't be deterred from pursuing complaints against the bully by the bully's claims to be a Linden in disguise, since these claims were spurious. Possibly they should have added the qualification, "almost certainly," but other than that, I think their advice was perfectly reasonable.

It's certainly my reaction to such claims when people I've upset make them to me; they go into the same pigeon-hole as "I'm a master hacker and I'll fry your PC if you don't unban me from the sim," which I've heard a few times. Somehow I doubt the only reason my PC remains thus-far-unfried is that I use Linux.
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09-04-2009 10:46
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Darien Caldwell
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09-04-2009 12:11
From: Scylla Rhiadra
The problem here may be that Darien, I take it, is speaking largely in the abstract, but those responding to her are taking her comments to suggest that an investigation needs to be launched into THIS particular case.

It's hard, surely, to disagree with Darien's main point here: if there IS evidence of wrong doing by a Linden, then of course it should be investigated. Does anyone really disagree? Would LL disagree, in principle? I doubt it.

Darien is also arguing, I take it, that people shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the allegation that a Linden might be involved in this case. Which, in principle, also seems to me sound.

That said, I haven't seen nearly enough evidence in THIS case to warrant an "investigation" of any sort. But Darien's broad principle surely applies?


I"m glad someone finally gets it. I'm beginning to think everyone in SL is incapable of taking anything any other way than literal.
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Darien Caldwell
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09-04-2009 12:14
From: Lindal Kidd
Please...

Sindy's right, the most likely case is that it's some idiot posing as an LL employee.

But Darien's right too...the situation should be investigated, and if it DOES turn out that it's really an LL employee...well, the OP deserves justice every bit as much (if not more than) the previous situation.

Either way: The OP should AR and keep AR'ing, with as much supporting documentation as possible.


I agree it *probably* is. But when someone says "It is not a Linden", who has made no investigation, that is an attempt to say with sound authority that it isn't even possible. And yes, I am probably reading far too much into such a statement. but at the time, that is how felt.
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Jesse Barnett
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09-04-2009 12:46
From: Darien Caldwell
I agree it *probably* is. But when someone says "It is not a Linden", who has made no investigation, that is an attempt to say with sound authority that it isn't even possible. And yes, I am probably reading far too much into such a statement. but at the time, that is how felt.

Which is fine. In this particular case and with the comments made it would be ludicrous to assume that it was really a Linden, hence my comment "No, it was not a Linden". I have nothing against investigating Lindens but remember what your comment was and this is what we are responding to:

"How can you say for certain no Linden is behind the abuse? There has been a plethora of examples of Lindens abusing residents in the past." This on top of your recent comments stating that a Linden was a greifer based on nothing more then a chat log showing that the Linden was nothing but polite would lead one to assume that you have an agenda.
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09-04-2009 13:01
From: Stefan Shackleton
Hi I am posting this on behalf of a girl I know who is dating one of my best friends. .


Okay, so YOU in other words.
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