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Palestinian holocaust museum

Joshooah Lovenkraft
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01-05-2009 09:49
I recently read about the creation of a SL Palestinian holocaust museum in this article and was interested in taking a look, given the recent strife in the Middle East. Unfortunately I can't seem to find its location so I was wondering if anyone had an slurl for me to check out. The sensitivities surrounding this situation and the potential for griefing may have made it not easily searchable but I'm curious to take a look.

Link to story: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3649751,00.html
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01-05-2009 09:56
Searching Islamonline gets hits:
http://search.secondlife.com/client_search.php?q=islamonline
Joshooah Lovenkraft
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01-05-2009 10:00
From: Osprey Therian


Yeah I looked at a few things via islamonline but couldn't find a location for the museum so if nothing turns up here I might ask in one of the Islam groups when I get a chance to log on.
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01-05-2009 10:14
It's here: http://slurl.com/secondlife/IslamOnline%20dot%20Net2/50/210/24

Not hard to find. Wait - or was this really an ad? Doh.
Mjolnir Uriza
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01-05-2009 10:28
no not an ad

we now have that war going on in SL

part of both sides tactics is to wage a media war as well

I'm old fashioned i guess, but if your harboring those who are launching rockets (or not taking careof the problem yourself) you should not expert to get out unscathed no matter how many pictures of dead bodes you can muster up
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01-05-2009 10:33
I was just referring to the frequently-used forum tactic of pretending you are searching for something when in fact you are trying to draw attention to it, which has been used for, it seems, everything.

It doesn't seem to be a bad thing in any situation to be able to see both sides (or more if there are more) as they would present themselves, do supplementary reading, and form one's own thoughts.
Joshooah Lovenkraft
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01-05-2009 10:42
I wasn't "pretending" anything nor was I was "advertising". I have no affiliation with this group and was purely curiously after noticing the article and not finding the museum via the SL web search before I could actually look inworld.
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01-05-2009 11:33
Is this a holocaust museum for people who strap bombs to themselves, go into a crowded area and detonate - presumably under the belief that they go to paradise in the name of their 'religion' .....
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01-05-2009 13:32
I always thought it would be neat if someone scripted a virtual check point, a no-fly area with a tunnel and a two gates. You go through gate #1 and it closes behind you. You want to go through gate #2 but you have to wait a random amount of time. This would duplicate waiting on line at West Bank checkpoints quite nicely.

Of course a Jim Crow museum would also be a fairly apt description of life as a Palestinian.
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01-05-2009 13:41
From: Mjolnir Uriza
no not an ad

we now have that war going on in SL

part of both sides tactics is to wage a media war as well

I'm old fashioned i guess, but if your harboring those who are launching rockets (or not taking careof the problem yourself) you should not expert to get out unscathed no matter how many pictures of dead bodes you can muster up



So would you care to quote how many civilians have been killed by these rocket attacks vs how many have been killed on the other side with air power and a ground invasion? Would you care to tell us how a trade blockade is not an act of war? (Yes, even shoes are prohibited, since as everyone knows shoes are military contraband.) Care to give us the number of Gaza children who suffer malnutrition due to the the blockade?

Some times it helps to get your news from more than one source, or in the United States from more than 5 or 6 sources since they all post from one bias.

To kill a civilian is murder, it doesn't matter which side is doing it.
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01-05-2009 13:45
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From: Chris Norse
To kill a civilian is murder, it doesn't matter which side is doing it.

Yep. Some actively target civilians and some don't, though...
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Mjolnir Uriza
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01-05-2009 16:05
From: Chris Norse
So would you care to quote how many civilians have been killed by these rocket attacks vs how many have been killed on the other side with air power and a ground invasion? Would you care to tell us how a trade blockade is not an act of war? (Yes, even shoes are prohibited, since as everyone knows shoes are military contraband.) Care to give us the number of Gaza children who suffer malnutrition due to the the blockade?

Some times it helps to get your news from more than one source, or in the United States from more than 5 or 6 sources since they all post from one bias.

To kill a civilian is murder, it doesn't matter which side is doing it.



I believe it was Joseph Stalin who said "A single death is a tragedy, are million deaths is a statistic."

Shoes have been used to attempt to bring down a plane,the simple box cuter has succeeded.

the only bias i see is the world today is pro Palestine. starting back in 1948 when the U.N. divided the area into two. one for Israel the other land for the Palestine's which Jordon immediately seized,true Israel grab some of that land back later on. So who did the Pakistanis blame for being landless was it Jordon? no it was Israel that got the blame, then the Palestine allowed the PLO to work from there areas now it's hammas. the Pakistanis have always harbored those who wanted Israel gone. if you chose to do that you accept what happens next.

If for example drug dealers move into the house next to mine and i am aware of it and turn my back as the problem grows when a bullet from a drive by or a shoot out with the cops ensues and a bullet hits somebody in my home i have to share part of the blame for it happening because i allowed it to get as far as it did.

the Arab world needs to get on the same page as the rest of the world don't tell us the Islam is all about peace and then turn around and have a protest when militant fringe groups get addressed.

it's an easy concept you don't want somebody bombing your town ,your city block what ever then fight to keep those that would use your home as a base to attack from. as i opened with it all statistics now. the difference brought up by Meade there is a big difference between collateral damage and targeting civilians on purpose
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01-05-2009 16:09
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01-05-2009 16:20
From: Mjolnir Uriza
the only bias i see is the world today is pro Palestine. starting back in 1948 when the U.N. divided the area into two. one for Israel the other land for the Palestine's which Jordon immediately seized,true Israel grab some of that land back later on. So who did the Pakistanis blame for being landless was it Jordon? no it was Israel that got the blame, then the Pakistanis allowed the PLO to work from there areas now it's hammas. the Pakistanis have always harbored those who wanted Israel gone. if you chose to do that you accept what happens next.


Pakistanis? Are you sure about that ;)
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01-05-2009 17:04
Both sides in this 60 year old debate have dug themselves into such deep holes and entrenched notions that I fear it will be a long time before any solution is realized.

I abhor suicide bombers and the launching of rockets at innocent civilians. I equally abhor an indiscriminate and disproportionate overreaction that has left millions living in fear and misery.

If I had easy answers to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, I would soon be Secretary of State and not Hillary.

All I can do is pray for peace, and express a true desire that both sides might soon make the leaps of faith that will be necessary for this insanity to end.

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01-05-2009 17:32
From: Meade Paravane
IBTL!


Yep. Some actively target civilians and some don't, though...
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01-05-2009 18:01
From: Mjolnir Uriza
. So who did the Pakistanis blame for being landless was it Jordon?

oh my golly gumdrops, you are being having a geographical moment or what?
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01-05-2009 21:15
From: Maelstrom Janus
Is this a holocaust museum for people who strap bombs to themselves, go into a crowded area and detonate.
Hm, a regular sim could hold 72 virgins, unless they wear too many attachments.
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01-05-2009 21:15
I think it's safe to say there are innocent victims on both sides.
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Susie Boffin
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01-05-2009 21:35
I don't understand why anyone would even want to create such a museum for a "holocaust" that has never happened. Excuse me if I am wrong but if such a museum was ever created it would be for purely polical reasons.
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01-05-2009 22:18
From: Susie Boffin
I don't understand why anyone would even want to create such a museum for a "holocaust" that has never happened. Excuse me if I am wrong but if such a museum was ever created it would be for purely polical reasons.

Susie, there are many Holocausts that 'officially' didnt happen..
many of them undocumented and sadly ignored.
any loss of innocent life.. any life.. any colour.. any nationality or belief, is a tragedy.
we would do well to remember them all
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01-05-2009 23:20
From: eku Zhong
Susie, there are many Holocausts that 'officially' didnt happen..


It sounds as though you are equating 'holocaust' with 'any loss of life'.

I think that most people would dispute this.

For instance, many would term what's happened in Darfur over the past six years a genocide or holocaust, given that (depending on what the source is) 200,000 to 400,000 people have died in violent conflict.

On the other hand, few would call The Troubles in Northern Ireland, a period of roughly thirty years from 1968 to 1998 in which about 3,500 people died in sectarian violance, a genocide or holocaust.

Part of this is sheer numbers, but part of it is also the manner of the deaths: when people are herded into deathcamps and slaughtered, that is more likely to be called a holocaust, but when two sides trade gunfire and bombs over a period of time, that is less likely to be termed a holocaust by most thoughtful observers.


If, in Second Life, someone wants to put up a Museum of the Kent State Holocaust, for example, to commemorate the 1970 fatal shootings of four students by National Guardsmen, then.....they are free to do so.

But many thoughtful people would probably question the use of the term "Holocaust" in connection with those deaths, however outrageous and unjust they may have been.
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01-06-2009 01:07
From: Ponsonby Low
It sounds as though you are equating 'holocaust' with 'any loss of life'.

I think that most people would dispute this.

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i was actually thinking of Nanking.. but i dont disagree with you.

Some people on the other hand believe that there was only one holocaust

me i go for any senseless loss of life, thousands or just 4... But if it makes anyone feel better.. i can call it a massacre.

But i do still believe that we should remember things like this.. all the deaths. each and everyone. mankind is not known for learning from its mistakes.. thats the biggest shame of all.
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01-06-2009 01:22
From: Paulo Dielli
Hm, a regular sim could hold 72 virgins, unless they wear too many attachments.



how do you know have you researched the matter ?
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