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Sammantha Odriscoll
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02-24-2008 13:35
How does SL gauge age of consent. Most countries its 16 (varies 14-18) If a chacter is 17 and romantically involved with another 17-18 is this OK. It is where I am from. I'm totally against any child exploitation. I just want to be sure of the rules. They are vague.
Lana Tomba
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02-24-2008 13:39
I would think since LL is trying to recognise International laws concerning age of consent..the bar would be sat at the highest age of consent?..is that *USA? at 18 years of age?

~Lana Tomba
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Magdalena Siemens
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02-24-2008 13:41
From: Sammantha Odriscoll
How does SL gauge age of consent. Most countries its 16 (varies 14-18) If a chacter is 17 and romantically involved with another 17-18 is this OK. It is where I am from. I'm totally against any child exploitation. I just want to be sure of the rules. They are vague.


Maingrid minimum age is 18, fullstop. no arguments, no exeptions. Anyone found below 18 that is banned. Proving it and to police it is sometimes difficult. But thats the rule at least.


Maggie
Jezebella Desmoulins
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02-24-2008 13:52
From: Sammantha Odriscoll
How does SL gauge age of consent. Most countries its 16 (varies 14-18) If a chacter is 17 and romantically involved with another 17-18 is this OK. It is where I am from. I'm totally against any child exploitation. I just want to be sure of the rules. They are vague.


Users must be over 18 to use the main grid. Users under 18 belong on the teen grid. Users on the main grid are allowed to have child avatars (I assume that's what you mean by saying "characters";), but child avatars are not supposed to engage in adult activities. That is a zero tolerance position that LL does enforces by strongly encouraging other residents to inform on the behavior. So it boils down to the user *and* the character must be 18 to engage in sex play without running afoul of the ToS.
Lana Tomba
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02-24-2008 14:27
From: Jezebella Desmoulins
Users must be over 18 to use the main grid. Users under 18 belong on the teen grid. Users on the main grid are allowed to have child avatars (I assume that's what you mean by saying "characters";), but child avatars are not supposed to engage in adult activities. That is a zero tolerance position that LL does enforces by strongly encouraging other residents to inform on the behavior. So it boils down to the user *and* the character must be 18 to engage in sex play without running afoul of the ToS.



so basically..if you have a child avatar...and wanna get it on...call them a little person in your profile and keep all rp to private messages. :confused:

~Lana Tomba
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Ephraim Kappler
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Convention on the Rights of the Child
02-24-2008 15:45
The Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), which every country in the world bar the USA and Somalia has signed, defines a child as a person under the age of eighteen. Technically the CRC is a legally binding instrument which can be used to guide the judgment of any court in a signatory country.

Since the USA also defines a child with this age limit, I would suggest eighteen years as the most reliable age of maturity - even if both you and the child are Somali.

Best be on the safe side.
Magdalena Siemens
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02-24-2008 16:04
From: Lana Tomba
so basically..if you have a child avatar...and wanna get it on...call them a little person in your profile and keep all rp to private messages. :confused:

~Lana Tomba


And dont roleplay with a Linden...

Maggie
Bree Giffen
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02-24-2008 16:14
Is sexual roleplayin AS a linden allowed?

Johnny Oh: I am a Linden! And I see your ad farms are still on this land!

Debbie Ree: Ohhh... I'm a bad person! What are you going to do?

Johnny Oh: Well for one I will use my Linden powers to remove your clothes!

Debbie Ree removes her clothes.

Debbie Ree: Oh my! You powerful mean man you!
Lana Tomba
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02-24-2008 16:15
From: Magdalena Siemens
And dont roleplay with a Linden...

Maggie

:eek: aint THAT the truth! :p

~Lana Tomba
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Marianne McCann
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Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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02-24-2008 17:12
From: Bree Giffen
Is sexual roleplayin AS a linden allowed?

Johnny Oh: I am a Linden! And I see your ad farms are still on this land!

Debbie Ree: Ohhh... I'm a bad person! What are you going to do?

Johnny Oh: Well for one I will use my Linden powers to remove your clothes!

Debbie Ree removes her clothes.

Debbie Ree: Oh my! You powerful mean man you!


Hah!!

Mari
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02-24-2008 17:49
From: Magdalena Siemens
And dont roleplay with a Linden...
Too late. (^_^)
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Abba Thiebaud
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02-24-2008 20:53
From: Bree Giffen
Is sexual roleplayin AS a linden allowed?

Johnny Oh: I am a Linden! And I see your ad farms are still on this land!

Debbie Ree: Ohhh... I'm a bad person! What are you going to do?

Johnny Oh: Well for one I will use my Linden powers to remove your clothes!

Debbie Ree removes her clothes.

Debbie Ree: Oh my! You powerful mean man you!



Cost of Starbucks Venti White Mocha: $1,183L
Cost of roll of Bounty paper towels (The Quicker Picker Upper!) $263L
Cost of new LCD monitor: $73,070L
Laughing my butt off at the thought of a Linden RP group removing clothing: Priceless.

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Kira Cuddihy
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02-24-2008 22:52
From: Abba Thiebaud
Cost of Starbucks Venti White Mocha: $1,183L
Cost of roll of Bounty paper towels (The Quicker Picker Upper!) $263L
Cost of new LCD monitor: $73,070L
Laughing my butt off at the thought of a Linden RP group removing clothing: Priceless.
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Sounds like fun to me. We have all wanted to bag a linden.
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Cherry Czervik
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02-25-2008 04:41
From: Bree Giffen
Is sexual roleplayin AS a linden allowed?

Johnny Oh: I am a Linden! And I see your ad farms are still on this land!

Debbie Ree: Ohhh... I'm a bad person! What are you going to do?

Johnny Oh: Well for one I will use my Linden powers to remove your clothes!

Debbie Ree removes her clothes.

Debbie Ree: Oh my! You powerful mean man you!


Wakka wakka (you need to watch some less 1970's stuff Bree :D )
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Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2008 04:52
From: someone
so basically..if you have a child avatar...and wanna get it on...call them a little person in your profile and keep all rp to private messages


Basically all child size avies saying refring words like Mommy Daddy etc regardless of IM (private messages)or not ( thats if the person on the other side of the IM (private messages)is reporting it) is still not allowed on sl.

on a light note on this issue :)

From: someone
And dont roleplay with a Linden...


Well at times i swear a few lindens are under the age of 18 the way they act and talk ahahhaha :D
Magdalena Siemens
The wild one
Join date: 28 Dec 2007
Posts: 119
Adult content
02-25-2008 05:39
From: Marianne McCann
Hah!!

Mari


Mari this is not for you.....

<<covers her eyes>>

But then again..you have seen worse lately, humans with humans won't shock you anymore I guess.

Maggie
Chris Norse
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Join date: 1 Oct 2006
Posts: 5,735
02-25-2008 06:58
From: Ephraim Kappler
The Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), which every country in the world bar the USA and Somalia has signed, defines a child as a person under the age of eighteen. Technically the CRC is a legally binding instrument which can be used to guide the judgment of any court in a signatory country.

Since the USA also defines a child with this age limit, I would suggest eighteen years as the most reliable age of maturity - even if both you and the child are Somali.

Best be on the safe side.


In the US, the age to consent to sex varies by state, from 14 to 18. It seems 16 is the most common. Also the age of sexual consent varies nation by nation.

Thank goodness the US hasn't signed the CRC, at least our elected representatives are doing a little to protect us from this one world government crap. Now if they only had the guts to withdraw from the UN and all other treaty organizations.
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Lucrezia Lamont
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Join date: 25 Jan 2007
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02-25-2008 07:34
From: Bree Giffen
Is sexual roleplayin AS a linden allowed?

Johnny Oh: I am a Linden! And I see your ad farms are still on this land!

Debbie Ree: Ohhh... I'm a bad person! What are you going to do?

Johnny Oh: Well for one I will use my Linden powers to remove your clothes!

Debbie Ree removes her clothes.

Debbie Ree: Oh my! You powerful mean man you!


OMG, that was so funny. So wrong and so funny. You should be an RP consultant... "Get the zest back into your SL romance... I can help with sexual RP scenarios to suit any mood, any place..."

Heeeee.
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Lindal Kidd
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02-25-2008 07:55
From: Lana Tomba
so basically..if you have a child avatar...and wanna get it on...call them a little person in your profile and keep all rp to private messages. :confused:

~Lana Tomba


Um, no, Lana. The correct response is, if you want to engage in sexual ageplay, don't do it in SL.
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Yosef Okelly
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02-25-2008 08:05
From: Kira Cuddihy
Sounds like fun to me. We have all wanted to bag a linden.
Hi there. My normal AV is Yosef Linden. I just play Yosef Okelly because I am undercover. And speaking of being under covers ... your poseballs or mine?

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If this works, I'll have to get the thread deleted before Trout Linden, Tex Linden, Drivin Linden or a host of others start showing up :)
Lindal Kidd
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02-25-2008 08:28
From: Yosef Okelly
Hi there. My normal AV is Yosef Linden. I just play Yosef Okelly because I am undercover. And speaking of being under covers ... your poseballs or mine?

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If this works, I'll have to get the thread deleted before Trout Linden, Tex Linden, Drivin Linden or a host of others start showing up :)


All of you, take off those silly Linden tags and go to your room.
Thread locked.

Sincerely,
Lindal Linden
Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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02-25-2008 08:31
</character>

Sadly, I don't think any of this stuff has been made clear in the TOS or the CS pages. I'm by no means against SAP, I admit it, but I'm also one to follow the rules so I keep all of my RP as legal as possible.

The blog entries on the subject have since drifted away from common knowledge for many. These past few weeks I've noticed a pile of noobie kids running around that have both claimed to have engaged and others that have actually invited me to places to "check this out". I had to give one the riot act for over an hour including links to the blog and Youtube videos of the sensationalist German news reports.

I myself have been personally berated by a Linden for my choice of humor by wearing a certain shirt for Valentine's day. He was civil and gave me a personal warning in IM. I changed out to a kinder (and somewhat cuter) tank top and went about the rest of my day without any more trouble. But it proves the point to me that LL will still be strict about their enforcement of the SAP rule.

That's all fine and dandy for people like me who joined almost immediately after seeing the whole mess on the news but what do we do about those who are joining now? I don't want to change my role in SL nor do I want to be the AR honeypot for these people. I'm too tolerant to even want to AR them so soon in their SL experience. Especially considering, I'm no different from them, it's just that I have been more informed and have the self-control to abide to the rules given to me.

Maybe a JIRA can be created for an update of the TOS or CS pages?

<character>

(^_^)
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Marianne McCann
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Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
02-25-2008 08:58
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Maybe a JIRA can be created for an update of the TOS or CS pages?


Not likely gonna happen, unfortunately :-/

Feel free t'send 'em to https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Marianne_McCann/Child_Avatars

Mari
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Kira Cuddihy
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
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02-25-2008 09:15
From: Yosef Okelly
Hi there. My normal AV is Yosef Linden. I just play Yosef Okelly because I am undercover. And speaking of being under covers ... your poseballs or mine?
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If this works, I'll have to get the thread deleted before Trout Linden, Tex Linden, Drivin Linden or a host of others start showing up :)

Slides over in the bed throwing the covers off. Come here honey, then bonks him on the head with a hammer so she can steal all of his money. I also want that sim for free and no monthly tier so all of my friends can have a big party.
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02-25-2008 09:29
From: Usagi Musashi
Basically all child size avies saying refring words like Mommy Daddy etc regardless of IM (private messages)or not ( thats if the person on the other side of the IM (private messages)is reporting it) is still not allowed on sl.
No, what is not allowed is HAVING SEX with or as a child avatar. It's perfectly legal and allowed for my SL daughter, Reisuki, to refer to Ceera as "Mommy", as long as that isn't in a sexual context. Heck, that in itself says NOTHIING about relative age. My Player is well over 18, and you know what? I still refer to my parents as "Mom and Dad".
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