How stupid do you think we are, LL ?

You must think we are all uneducated people with a IQ score below 60.

That's the way you treat us.

Newsflash: Most of us ARE INTELLIGENT, and ARE EDUCATED.

Yea, I said it.

Stop lying to us. We know it's all about the money.

Fix everything that's broken, or tell us WHY. Hey, I want to make a PROFIT too, but I'm not going to lie to my customers.

/rant off

Thank you.

Resident profit ain't part of the equation.

And never was.

You make a little profit in your endeavers that's great. You're smarter than the average SL user.......luckier too. But when it comes to profit it's always going to be LL's profit first. Not yours.

That's kind of the way RL works too.

they`ll know the answer after the price hike with people that stay on voids (homesteads)

My IQ is in the mid 130's, bellow 60 would be unlikely able to read this or operate a keyboard. A little research before posting would help.

Oh, and you notice the majority of people throwing this little temper tantrum still are the same folks that are the SL equivalent of slum lords (plopping a ton of houses on a open space sim)? Seriously, stop the tantrums and grow up a little.

/rant off

If you really wanted to make a profit you would flip burgers at MacDonalds and make more than most SL residents do from their Open Source sims.

Exactly, seriously why do people set up rental properties? It can't be for the money unless you live in a box in RL.

landlords are pretty persistent people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXIBjo8gWEE

One of the greatest movies of all time. Only in the 80's could you have a comedy about a guy trying to off himself and have it actually be funny LOL

Here's the landlord from hell... adorably cute hell

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/74/the-landlord-from-will-ferrell-and-adam-ghost-panther-mckay

Dam you beat me to it lol

I think that, by definition, most of us are just average.

LL doesn't guarantee profits for residents who set up businesses in SL! That's up to skill, hard work, publicity and a fair amount of luck.

I never expected a profit and I never tried to make one, my SL has been pretty much altruism all the way. By definition, that says more about my intelligence than my IQ score which is pretty healthy tyvm.

I don't think LL think anyone is stupid. They just don't understand the metaphysical concept of shame.

If you think about it, it's the taxpayer who pays for governmental screw-ups. So not so different here then ... fat salaries, backhanders, double dealings, self serving, spin, cover-ups ... when do we get to hear about someone found dead in a cupboard, wearing stockings, with a satsuma in their mouth and a plastic bin liner over their head with a canary in it?

For those who think I jest, you don't know about the whacky world of self-asphyxiating UK Politicians, clearly

No one would expect LL to guarantee profits.
What should be expected, is a platform where businesses are not rendered worthless because of the stupidity of LL.

As already stated many times, LL created the circumstances where many landlords converted normal sims to OS sims, or purchased extra OS sims. Why? LL promoted the OS sims so well, that many residents asked for them. Quite to be expected, as you could have 4 times as much land for the same price.

In several threads I read about the greed of the landlords. Now I am going to take someone like Steve as an example. Steve has an estate with a couple of normal sims. Lets say he has cut each sim in 4 pieces, and rents out the 4 parcels. Making a profit, of course.

Suddenly LL starts promoting the OS sims. Making the tier on an OS sim the same, as the tier of the 1/4 normal sim with the same prims. After a while, Steve's only choice is to follow the market, and provide his renters wth what they want. So he forks over the cash to LLto split a sim in 4 OS sims, or he buys a few new OS sims. Both options cost him money! And the profit will be the same as before, provided that the rent is based on paid tier to LL.

So, was Steve greedy when he provided OS sims for his renters? Or was he trying to survive with his business by following the market?

Of course a business needs to calculate future changes into their business plan, and be ready for them. But it was simply impossible to be ready for a 67% price increase.

Disclaimer
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Steve is the owner of the estate I rent on. Now I have no clue about his profits, but I pretty well understand his anger towards LL. And I would have said the same if any other had posted this topic.

The problem has nothing to do with IQ, but with the fact that LL changes the rules of some parts of the economy without a warning, and people constantly have to adapt. Even the most ultra-liberal economy does not change that fast. So one does not need a high IQ, but a good crystal ball.

And to those thinking the Residents' profits are not part of the equation, I'll just say that it has precisely been the number one advertisement for LL in the past.

Please watch your line of fire, as there are plenty of people with more than legitimate gripes about the policy changes that are still PO'd that were and still are using open spaces as they were advetised and intended, but will have to drop them due to changes. I myself had hoped to swing a little park/deserted Isle/private-sandbox, a la pre-colonial polenesia.... no chance of that now as the new rulings on prim limits for the low end kill the chance....and my budget doesn't inclue the increased prices..... there are many in the same boat (pun not intended).

The good news is that maybe this will make Mainland more attractive again for new people and those who are playing realtor. Maybe no more misleading $L 1 Land in searches would be nice too..


If you are going to rent out OS land like its a regular sim.. you should be paying regular tier.

If you have issues with the pricing.. ditch your OS and buy Mainland.. its cheaper anyway... Cheaper to buy - Cheaper to Operate .

it still looks the same to me..I don't see Profit as a main subject in this advertisement or anything jumping out at me saying i will make a profit..it's the same one thats been there since i can remember..
it pretty much just sums up second life and a virtual world to me more than anything..

maybe i am looking at the wrong add or in the wrong section or something..
i just look under What is Second Life?
i am being serious and hope i'm not sounding like a troll here because it's not my intent.. if there is one i am missing i really would like to read it..
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What is Second Life?

Second Life® is a 3-D virtual world created by its Residents. Since opening to the public in 2003, it has grown explosively and today is inhabited by millions of Residents from around the globe.

* From the moment you enter the World you'll discover a vast digital continent, teeming with people, entertainment, experiences and opportunity. Once you've explored a bit, perhaps you'll find a perfect parcel of land to build your house or business.

* You'll also be surrounded by the Creations of your fellow Residents. Because Residents retain intellectual property rights in their digital creations, they can buy, sell and trade with other Residents.

* The Marketplace currently supports millions of US dollars in monthly transactions. This commerce is handled with the inworld unit of trade, the Linden™ dollar, which can be converted to US dollars at several thriving online Linden dollar exchanges.

Welcome to the Second Life world. We look forward to seeing you inworld.

Shouldn't have been tho ...

lol @ teeming with people and entertainment. Teeming with bots more like ...

...and NOT the product that people want!

What happened to the poor canary?

Assuming that the OP was in relation to the changes to OS's then he has been given plenty of notice. The first price increase comes into effect on 5th Jan 09. So nearly 2 months to re-evalutate his business stategy. So no crystal ball required in this instance, but his high IQ will definitely help him survive the current change in policy and adapt his business accordingly.

Are you really serious? That 2 months is plenty of notice?

Well I seriously doubt that any landlord with a few dozens open sims share that opinion. Because they invested in OS sims that are now rendered almost worthless.

Steve will survive, I am sure, becase of the added value his estate has. But that does not mean that he does not feel conned by LL. Fact still is, that LL made it as attractive as possible to get an OS sim, only to raise the tier afterwards with 67%. And any excuse like "we did not foresee people were going to use them to live on" is too stupid for words. No one can be that ignorant.

I don't have a dog in this fight, and after reading all the threads on it, If I were in this boat, I would probably grudgingly accept the situation, and just decide whether I could pay the increase, except for one issue. This didn't just happen overnight. I can't believe The Providers didn't know that people were using the OS sims in ways not meant to be..Did they give any warnings? "Hey guys, knock this off, or we may have to take action"

Did they slow down or suspend the sale of the sims to take the strain off the system?

No. They continued on, gleefully raking in the Quatloos until they decided it was time to drop the other shoe. I agree it won't hurt them overall, but they till get a big BOO for it. It was just low ball move. One the positive note, it should confirm to any remaining idealists out there that LL is a business, plain and simple, and SL is their product. And their plan is to wring every cent out of you, the customer that they can. You may be trying to make a community, but they aren't. They don't care. If you leave, 5 more will show up in your place. And even if they don't stay, 5 more will follow for every one of those.

I am not defending the changes LL has made but you have all been given a notice warning.

I replied to comments made by Marine Kelley. Marine said:

Marine Kelley - "The problem has nothing to do with IQ, but with the fact that LL changes the rules of some parts of the economy without a warning, and people constantly have to adapt. Even the most ultra-liberal economy does not change that fast. So one does not need a high IQ, but a good crystal ball."

So Marine said it was a FACT that LL changes the rules of the economy without warning - this is wrong. 2 month notice period haas been issued.

Marine also alluded to the fact you need a crystall ball rather than a good IQ. - this is also wrong, You have 2 months notice. No seer equipment required.

I said that 2 months is "plenty" of time so maybe "plenty" was a bad choice of word, but you can acheive allot in 2 months surely. It's not like LL imposed these price rises without warning which is what Marine was saying.

That was my point.