A certain something left the grid this week - Good or bad?

How about the Gorean stuff? Slavery is slavery and they're putting a lot of effort into simulating it here on SL. This *is* supposed to be a civil society after all.

Oh, and the furries, especially the yiffy ones. Anthropomorphic or no, it's basically animal sex. And with the bestiality folks it's an even more straightforward case.

Almost forgot the gang and mafia RPers. Pretty sure I've even seen a few Nazis running around.

Also, the escorts and prostitutes cause I know that ain't legal in the US which is where LLs servers are. Better be sure to purge them too.

What speculation?

Legally, yes: LL is covering their legal risks, which is what any sensible company does.

Morally? I disagree. As long as no real children are involved, there's no moral issue here. Of course, that's debatable, just as are homosexuality, adultery, depicting human faces (banned by a religion that has a billion followers), showing of any flesh other than hands and faces, and killing ones female family member as a matter of honor (permitted by an interpretation of a major religion).

My point is simply that moral issues are debatable, and LL is not taking a moral stand here. You're free to have your opinions, as am I. In democracies, laws are not based on morals alone, but on agreements between people concerning shared morals. In the case of LL, the laws of a small number of countries caused the action. For example, in Germany, animated child pornography is illegal; and it was argued that SL SAP falls under that category. There are no such laws in many other countries, including the US, but LL has to protect itself on a number of fronts. As I said above, I'm glad they choose not to honor the laws of Iran.

We all well know that almost every sense of lifestyle has it's own form reprehensibility and it's a bit redundant to bring up furries, Gor, and escorts.

I mean... Someone can find organized religion just as much of a social evil, depending on their state of mind. Doing so has lead to a long string of threadlocks before, and in a way, doesn't address the intent of my OP.

The exodus has happend... Here's the scenario I fear....

This unregulated grid will be populated with the SAP community, each with their own values on what they determine appropriate. Some fully dedicated to cartoon sex (not unlike myself, I won't deny or defend) and some who are after something more (the part I'm worried about). Since this new grid is unregulated, everyone is unverified by default.

Eventually a RL kid will get involved, and probably get caught or talk about it and draw attention. The vultures will dive in and publicity will ensue. The press, being the marketing geniuses they are, will not refer to the events as occurring on some new independent grid that never existed before.

At best, it will be described as a "Second Life like environment" or anything of the sort. No doubt... The SL name will be injected in the story somehow. Considering this grid can be accessed using the SL client and some command line edits, the ability to differentiate it is nearly impossible for the avatar-uninitiated.

So, instead of SL being part of a public outcry over cartoon/CG depictions, things may be dragged in the mud over a RL situation that in no doubt will end poorly. So, taking moral decisions in order, I'm sure that a CG job is the lesser of two evils.

As it stands, LL has their rules set... I'm following them... I wouldn't have lasted this long otherwise, considering I deal with the G-Team quite often. But, I think the SAP policy as it stands is turning into a fatal error. I'm not saying wipe it from the books (or blog (that nobody sees anymore anyway) ). We'll just have to see how things turn out, I guess.

(My brain is melting from using so many big words. (T_T) )

/me steps back in to character and physbombs a sandbox to blow off some steam. (=_=)y

The only fatal error as far as SL is concerned is to "keep it here so it doesn't proliferate anywhere else."

That's just insane. You cannot stop it, it is just human nature that it would happen. Yes, I am worried about rl kids but it would be up to people with a conscience to out these new grid hideaways. That doesn't mean that it should remain here and continue to expose LL to legal liability, which could eventually destroy the whole place.

Spot on. Given Sky News called a group of non-sexual-ageplaying kids "deviants" and implied they were pedophiles in their last SL story, facts won't get in their way.

Not one for NIMBY, but in this case its for the best. In SL, the contacts would be in-world and large subterranean in nature. To get a crowd to move to an off-world region, they will have to raise their heads above the water to advertise. If it is just the same old crowd, perhaps no damage, but their growth will be slow, if any. And stepping across the line will be more public and more dangerous if they are violating any laws. If it is just adults, probably not (at least in the USA by recent court decisions, and we do tend to be the more Puritanical than most Western countries).

/me points to her name ...

You can imagine the questions I get asked. My choice of names was probably not the best, and of course I can't change it, and I have too much invested in myself to start over. So I deal.

I am not a child avatar. I am a grown woman, 5' 4", petite.

Regarding the camp in question ... I enjoyed hanging out there. I have several friends who choose to play as younger avatars. Some may indeed be looking for SAP, but they haven't told me about it, and I haven't asked. The majority, however, appear to simply prefer to play as younger avatars. I do tend to stick with the friends who speak plain english, and not the 3-year-old nonsense. (you know, "Pwease pway with me. I dink dat's a pwetty dwess." Talk/type like that, and I ignore you.

Regarding SAP, I equate it to fantasy RL roleplay. Mr. Manly comes home from work and has his wife dress up in a catholic schoolgirl outfit or a high school cheerleader outfit, and they "play" ... or what about the adult baby fetish? You know, the one where the guy wears a diaper and plays like a baby for "mommy" to take care of?

It happens in RL, and since all are adults, and it takes place behind closed doors, nobody complains. I'm a very strong conservative, living in the deep south of the bible belt, and I think that SL shouldn't be any different. If adult ageplayers want to do SAP, knock yourselves out. Go to a private skybox and keep it behind closed doors. But, SL and the mass population doesn't see it that way. No worries, however, as it doesn't affect me either way.

So, the kids will find a new place to hang out. Will SAP be there? Who knows ... I won't ask, and people won't tell.

So now lets talk about the rampant drug use in SL. I see weed, cocaine, meth, and a variety of other illegal drugs being (virtually) sold in SL. Shouldn't that be illegal?

I think proposing bans should be illegal.

I've only see the first of those, usually in green text. I cough whenever people smoke around my avvie, no matter what they happen to be smoking,. I'm bad dat way.

Mari
(Who used to shop at a store not far from your studio, and saw your name on my Mysti a few times)

I'm with you on making the distinction. These are two different things.

Child avatars I have no problem with. Some of my best friends are children =) Mostly because they don't start conversations with "hey babe u wanna ..."

Its not a question of if, otherwise. Depicting sexual acts involving the pictorial representation of children is illegal in many jurisdictions where SL is available, mine included. The carriers of such imagery are also acting criminally according to those laws. No responsible company will knowingly and wilfully break them. Allowing this kind of criminal activity in SL is not an option for LL, at least in my country anyway, thank goodness.

As for dope-smoking furrialities who collar their cousins instead of marrying them and then suck all their virtual blood out turning them into mindless playthings then well !!! golly gosh !!! How anyone can equate this with the former then umm! yeah right!

personally, i couldnt care less what avi two adults choose to wear while engaging in cyber.
want to play teacher/student? knock yourself out.
want to play mommy and son? its not a concern to me, and i dont understand why everyone else gets so worked up about it.

So what happened when you met his parents?

Yep all those dumb bans like banning the taking of explosives and guns on planes, kids banned from buying alocohol, etc got to go.
Restrictions can go too, down with speed limits, red lights and food industry regulations.

in the context of this discussion, SECONDLIFE, sure. why not?

Well the point is, they won't be shutting SL down for crimes committed on some other grid. Not the same company, completely unrelated.

my opinion on this subject.

http://kdc.ethernia.net/?p=238

None of which apply to SL......

They would if I owned a sim.

see? this is why i've missed you so much!