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01-06-2010 11:13

From: Lear Cale

Don't forget the all-important sonic orifice: the compressed air goes through this before being burned.

And this, in common parlance, is called "an internet forum."

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01-06-2010 11:29

From: Osprey Therian

And this, in common parlance, is called "an internet forum."

lol, that's a different kind of orifice.

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01-06-2010 11:29

Buzz bomb was the V-1. The crazy thing is people have started making homebrew pulsejets and doing all kinds of crazy things with them. Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy4KH88tLSY

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01-06-2010 11:38

Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent.

A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand.

When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around.

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01-06-2010 12:36

From: Argent Stonecutter

Buzz bomb was the V-1.

That makes more sense. Thanks for the correction.

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01-06-2010 13:15

From: Phil Deakins

Yes - but I'm being pedantic

And I think it's good to be because many people believe that things are true without realising that they are just hypotheses.

Fixed.

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01-06-2010 13:20

From: Maureen Boccaccio

I just want to say that I'm getting all hot and bothered reading all this cool science stuff you folks know, and can explain.

*goes to take a cold shower*

Yeah, I know... I'm trying to come up with a question of my own.

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01-06-2010 13:25

From: Ghosty Kips

Fixed.

Thank you

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01-06-2010 13:42

From: Lear Cale

Right, and the theory of gravitation is just a theory too.

It is, and I'm not aware of any theory or hypothesis of how it actually works. The General Theory of Relativity warped space but it doesn't predict a direction for objects to move in the warped space. What I mean is - space is bent towards mass by the mass, such as the Earth. If you place an object close enough to the Earth to be in the curved space caused by the Earth, and stationary with respect to the Earth so that you don't give it an initial direction of movement, it will fall to Earth. Why? Why won't it set off the other way along the curvature?

Sorry about writing that, but it's one of my long-time questions. I have an idea of my own but I'll probably never know if it's anywhere near the truth. If the Higgs field is discovered, my idea will seem to be be a step closer to reality.

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01-06-2010 13:45

From: Lindal Kidd

A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand.

When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around.

Awesome. Oh yes, I can totally believe that price.

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01-06-2010 13:50

From: Lindal Kidd

Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent.

A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand.

When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around.

What is really amazing is the way they make the miniature jet fuel for those things.

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01-06-2010 13:57

From: Phil Deakins

...I have an idea of my own but I'll probably never know if it's anywhere near the truth. If the Higgs field is discovered, my idea will seem to be be a step closer to reality.

I'm starting to see what Mo finds exciting when people talk science to her. Keep going, baby!

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01-06-2010 14:00

From: Lindal Kidd

Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent.

A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand.

When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around.

/me points! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsfjOK_LcNE

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01-06-2010 15:38

From: Lindal Kidd

Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent.

A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand.

When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around.

I remember seeing those. Even sounded like a jet!

Now they have tiny lil' electric motor ones that makes lil' screechy jet noises.

As for time travel, THIS is how NOT to do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVw2EBfMphI

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01-06-2010 15:55

We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives?

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01-06-2010 15:56

From: Bobbi Finesmith

We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives?

We run like hell.

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01-06-2010 16:23

From: Bobbi Finesmith

We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives?

The next yuga begins.

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01-06-2010 16:26

it's even more correct to say that the hubble is seeing a portion of the universe at that time period... and in the simplest sense can be show with some simple geometry.

make a circle to represent the total known universe after the big bang. pick several points on the circle and mark them. draw a line from the center of the circle through each point, that is the length of the diameter of the circle. the end will represent how far we have moved since the time the universe was that size. next draw a circle that is 1.5 times the size as the original around each of our chosen points... this will represent the light coming from those points at that time (because light moves faster). the place each circle intersects a straight line is where we would have needed to be to see exactly that much time back, to that exact OTHER point. you'll notice if the points are to close our line doesn't extend to then (we're moving slower than the light wich has already passed us), and some that are farther away may have intersected us before now (the light from that time already passed us)

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01-06-2010 17:52

I heart this thread.

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01-06-2010 19:04

Ah, Physics. All I know about Physics is that at the moment the teacher first wrote "W = F x D" on the board, Force and Distance became my mortal enemies forever.

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01-06-2010 20:49

From: Bobbi Finesmith

We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives?

Already here, it's encoded in ripples in the cosmic background radiation. You can listen to audio clips here:

http://spacecollective.org/fredjc/3081/The-Sound-of-Cosmic-Background-Radiation

(it had to be transposed up 55 octaves to hear, because the frequency is one cycle per 30,000 years, while human hearing requires 20 cycles per second or higher)

It really was sound waves traveling in the hot plasma back then. And since compression and expansion leads to temperature changes, we see it as hot and cold spots. Those cold spots that were a little denser also had stronger gravity, and tended to collect even more matter at the expense of the hotter and less dense areas. This led to the formation of the galaxies we know today. So we are here today partly due to the sound from the big bang

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01-06-2010 21:55

I think if you go back past the big bang it connects to the end of the undying thread.

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01-07-2010 10:21

From: SuezanneC Baskerville

I think if you go back past the big bang it connects to the end of the undying thread.

AHA! Now everything makes sense!

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01-07-2010 10:28

Not so fast, Lear. What is the end of the undying thread *doesn't* connect to immediately before the big bang. That thread could create a new big bang that would threaten our very universe.

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01-07-2010 10:32

From: Phil Deakins

Not so fast, Lear. What is the end of the undying thread *doesn't* connect to immediately before the big bang. That thread could create a new big bang that would threaten our very universe.

I'm pretty sure I've detected some bozons there. (or is it "boson"?)

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Osprey Therian I want capslocklock Join date: 6 Jul 2004 Posts: 5,049	01-06-2010 11:13 From: Lear Cale Don't forget the all-important sonic orifice: the compressed air goes through this before being burned. And this, in common parlance, is called "an internet forum." _____________________ http:www.atomic-raygun.com Combat Cards in Europa [url=http://slurl.com/secondlife/grignano/118/116/]The Photography Studio in Grignano[/url] Mud! Mud! Glorious mud! Nothing quite like it for cooling the blood. So, follow me, follow, down to the hollow, And there let us wallow in glorious mud. Flanders and Swan
Lear Cale wordy bugger Join date: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3,569	01-06-2010 11:29 From: Osprey Therian And this, in common parlance, is called "an internet forum." lol, that's a different kind of orifice.
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-06-2010 11:29 Buzz bomb was the V-1. The crazy thing is people have started making homebrew pulsejets and doing all kinds of crazy things with them. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy4KH88tLSY _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	01-06-2010 11:38 Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent. A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand. When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Lear Cale wordy bugger Join date: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3,569	01-06-2010 12:36 From: Argent Stonecutter Buzz bomb was the V-1. That makes more sense. Thanks for the correction.
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	01-06-2010 13:15 From: Phil Deakins Yes - but I'm being pedantic And I think it's good to be because many people believe that things are true without realising that they are just hypotheses. Fixed. _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	01-06-2010 13:20 From: Maureen Boccaccio I just want to say that I'm getting all hot and bothered reading all this cool science stuff you folks know, and can explain. goes to take a cold shower Yeah, I know... I'm trying to come up with a question of my own.
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	01-06-2010 13:25 From: Ghosty Kips Fixed. Thank you _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	01-06-2010 13:42 From: Lear Cale Right, and the theory of gravitation is just a theory too. It is, and I'm not aware of any theory or hypothesis of how it actually works. The General Theory of Relativity warped space but it doesn't predict a direction for objects to move in the warped space. What I mean is - space is bent towards mass by the mass, such as the Earth. If you place an object close enough to the Earth to be in the curved space caused by the Earth, and stationary with respect to the Earth so that you don't give it an initial direction of movement, it will fall to Earth. Why? Why won't it set off the other way along the curvature? Sorry about writing that, but it's one of my long-time questions. I have an idea of my own but I'll probably never know if it's anywhere near the truth. If the Higgs field is discovered, my idea will seem to be be a step closer to reality. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	01-06-2010 13:45 From: Lindal Kidd A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand. When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around. Awesome. Oh yes, I can totally believe that price. _____________________ Argent Stonecutter - http://globalcausalityviolation.blogspot.com/ "And now I'm going to show you something really cool." Skyhook Station - http://xrl.us/skyhook23 Coonspiracy Store - http://xrl.us/coonstore
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	01-06-2010 13:50 From: Lindal Kidd Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent. A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand. When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around. What is really amazing is the way they make the miniature jet fuel for those things.
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	01-06-2010 13:57 From: Phil Deakins ...I have an idea of my own but I'll probably never know if it's anywhere near the truth. If the Higgs field is discovered, my idea will seem to be be a step closer to reality. I'm starting to see what Mo finds exciting when people talk science to her. Keep going, baby! _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	01-06-2010 14:00 From: Lindal Kidd Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent. A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand. When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around. /me points! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsfjOK_LcNE _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	01-06-2010 15:38 From: Lindal Kidd Not just homebrew pulsejets, Argent. A while back, the Geek (who used to fly radio controlled airplanes back B.C. -- Before Computers) showed me a clip of a model plane that had an actual, tiny, jet engine. Not a fan driven by a gas or electric motor...a turbojet you could hold in your hand. When he told me the plane, radio, and engine cost "only" about $7,000, I told him "No WAY". He still has the remains of some former crashes sitting around. I remember seeing those. Even sounded like a jet! Now they have tiny lil' electric motor ones that makes lil' screechy jet noises. As for time travel, THIS is how NOT to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVw2EBfMphI _____________________ really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
Bobbi Finesmith Registered User Join date: 6 Aug 2008 Posts: 40	01-06-2010 15:55 We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives?
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	01-06-2010 15:56 From: Bobbi Finesmith We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives? We run like hell. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	01-06-2010 16:23 From: Bobbi Finesmith We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives? The next yuga begins.
Void Singer Int vSelf = Sing(void); Join date: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 6,973	01-06-2010 16:26 it's even more correct to say that the hubble is seeing a portion of the universe at that time period... and in the simplest sense can be show with some simple geometry. make a circle to represent the total known universe after the big bang. pick several points on the circle and mark them. draw a line from the center of the circle through each point, that is the length of the diameter of the circle. the end will represent how far we have moved since the time the universe was that size. next draw a circle that is 1.5 times the size as the original around each of our chosen points... this will represent the light coming from those points at that time (because light moves faster). the place each circle intersects a straight line is where we would have needed to be to see exactly that much time back, to that exact OTHER point. you'll notice if the points are to close our line doesn't extend to then (we're moving slower than the light wich has already passed us), and some that are farther away may have intersected us before now (the light from that time already passed us) _____________________ \| \| . "Cat-Like Typing Detected" \| . This post may contain errors in logic, spelling, and \| . grammar known to the SL populace to cause confusion \| \| - Please Use PHP tags when posting scripts/code, Thanks. \| - Can't See PHP or URL Tags Correctly? Check Out This Link... \| -
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	01-06-2010 17:52 I heart this thread.
Dakota Tebaldi Voodoo Child Join date: 6 Feb 2008 Posts: 1,873	01-06-2010 19:04 Ah, Physics. All I know about Physics is that at the moment the teacher first wrote "W = F x D" on the board, Force and Distance became my mortal enemies forever. _____________________ "...Dakota will grow up to be very scary... but in a HOT and desireable kind of way." - 3Ring Binder "I really do think it's a pity he didnt "age" himself to 18." - Jig Chippewa
DanielRavenNest Noe Registered User Join date: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 1,076	01-06-2010 20:49 From: Bobbi Finesmith We all know that light travels faster than sound. What happens when the sound from the "big bang" finally arrives? Already here, it's encoded in ripples in the cosmic background radiation. You can listen to audio clips here: http://spacecollective.org/fredjc/3081/The-Sound-of-Cosmic-Background-Radiation (it had to be transposed up 55 octaves to hear, because the frequency is one cycle per 30,000 years, while human hearing requires 20 cycles per second or higher) It really was sound waves traveling in the hot plasma back then. And since compression and expansion leads to temperature changes, we see it as hot and cold spots. Those cold spots that were a little denser also had stronger gravity, and tended to collect even more matter at the expense of the hotter and less dense areas. This led to the formation of the galaxies we know today. So we are here today partly due to the sound from the big bang .
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	01-06-2010 21:55 I think if you go back past the big bang it connects to the end of the undying thread. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Lear Cale wordy bugger Join date: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 3,569	01-07-2010 10:21 From: SuezanneC Baskerville I think if you go back past the big bang it connects to the end of the undying thread. AHA! Now everything makes sense!
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	01-07-2010 10:28 Not so fast, Lear. What is the end of the undying thread doesn't connect to immediately before the big bang. That thread could create a new big bang that would threaten our very universe. _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Seven Okelli last days of pompeii Join date: 4 Dec 2008 Posts: 2,300	01-07-2010 10:32 From: Phil Deakins Not so fast, Lear. What is the end of the undying thread doesn't connect to immediately before the big bang. That thread could create a new big bang that would threaten our very universe. I'm pretty sure I've detected some bozons there. (or is it "boson"?)

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