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MortVent Charron
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01-11-2009 13:19
From: Baloo Uriza
No, I tend to agree with my state's attorney generals, which have over the years successfully built up the precident that the 10th Amendment is inflexible when it comes to state soverignty. Pick any State of Oregon vs. any federal department trying to hinder the will of Oregonians, and you will find that the fed has lost.


And if you check, every state law that was ruled in violation of the constitution and it's amendments... the state lost.

State laws can not counter those, examples such as the Jim Crow laws and many forms of censorship by fundamentalist lawmakers trying to legislate their morality on the masses.

The depictions of avatars and the chat falls under first amendment rights. So the federal laws take precedence if the local/state laws are ruled unconstitutional. Which is what happens, in the case of various media and occurrences

The fun thing about the first amendment is anyone can say what they want, draw what they want, regardless of how others feel about it.

If someone wants to write a book, play or movie that involves underage sex... they can. they can even go to certain limits in depicting it (as long as there are no real minors involved).
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01-11-2009 13:19
From: Baloo Uriza
State law superscedes federal law, per 10th Amendment. See State of Oregon versus US Drug Enforcement Agency.
State law only supercedes federal law if it is not violating the basic rights/freedoms as defined in the constitution (i.e. no state law can take away any of our constitutional rights). Virtual images, in some cases, can be a form of art and therefore falls under the freedom of speech issue. This is why the whole thing gets so complicated.
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Baloo Uriza
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01-11-2009 13:25
From: MortVent Charron
And if you check, every state law that was ruled in violation of the constitution and it's amendments... the state lost.


I can't find any that State of Oregon has lost on first amendment grounds. My state's not that stupid.
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01-11-2009 13:31
From: Baloo Uriza
I can't find any that State of Oregon has lost on first amendment grounds. My state's not that stupid.
Please quote me the Oregon law that says virtual child pornography is illegal.
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MortVent Charron
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01-11-2009 13:32
From: Baloo Uriza
I can't find any that State of Oregon has lost on first amendment grounds. My state's not that stupid.


doesn't mean other laws haven't been struck down as unconstitutional from your state.

And if you check I said state, as in referring to every single state.

Some of the biggest ones that come to mind were one that poor Jack Thompson helped write to protect the children..
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01-11-2009 13:37
From: Briana Dawson
Disgusting.

A 10 year old involved in sexual situations with a 30 year old is just plain and simple disgusting.

I know we here in SL like to refrain from passing judgment for fear of alienating some group or persons, but any sexual material involving grown adults and 10 year old children is sick. Thankfully this is just a "Manga", but we all know it does not stop there.


And to some it's disgusting to see two members of the same sex in a relationship, to see someone pierce their flesh with jewelry...

And in some places in this wide world, contract marriages exist where girls age 10 or less even are married off to older men for the dowry sent to their family... or to pay off family debts. And it's considered normal.
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Mira Kalinakov
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01-11-2009 13:47
From: Baloo Uriza
I'm glad someone else with common sense appeared on the thread.


And I'm glad we have you both here - punching keys in your ivory tower like some god damn internet superheroes.
Briana Dawson
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01-11-2009 14:26
From: MortVent Charron
And to some it's disgusting to see two members of the same sex in a relationship, to see someone pierce their flesh with jewelry...

And in some places in this wide world, contract marriages exist where girls age 10 or less even are married off to older men for the dowry sent to their family... or to pay off family debts. And it's considered normal.


Cheeky comparison but the slight at me is SL related, while the rest is RL...big difference. :D

SO yea I draw my line at the social norms i was raised to accept.

10 year old boy/girl + 30 year old man/woman = wrong in American society, and that is where i live. I would not go to Africa and try and stop men from laying with boys until the age of 16 or anything else they consider socially acceptable there.

What happens 10,000 miles away from the U.S.A. is really irrelevant.

I still find age-play unacceptable and gross, but I would not force any anti-age play laws in SL on anyone. Granted no one gets hurt and that is a good thing. But for me, I am not finding issues with 17 year old's having sex with adults - that is just silly. But once we get into pre-teens having sex with adults, i find my skin crawling and the entire conversation repulsive.

Is 10 years old a magic number or something? My kids are 7 and 9 and i will be sickened to my stomach to learn some woman had sex with my son at the age of 10. No one is attacking anyone in SL over this, but wow what is so hard about saying something like a 10 year old + 30 year old = WRONG, unless you think that is fine. In which case, i doubt you have children as I cannot imagine any parent looking at their kid of that age and thinking it would be o.k. for them to be engaged in sex with anyone of any age, especially an adult.
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MortVent Charron
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01-11-2009 14:40
From: Briana Dawson
Cheeky comparison but the slight at me is SL related, while the rest is RL...big difference. :D

SO yea I draw my line at the social norms i was raised to accept.

10 year old boy/girl + 30 year old man/woman = wrong in American society, and that is where i live. I would not go to Africa and try and stop men from laying with boys until the age of 16 or anything else they consider socially acceptable there.

What happens 10,000 miles away from the U.S.A. is really irrelevant.

I still find age-play unacceptable and gross, but I would not force any anti-age play laws in SL on anyone. Granted no one gets hurt and that is a good thing. But for me, I am not finding issues with 17 year old's having sex with adults - that is just silly. But once we get into pre-teens having sex with adults, i find my skin crawling and the entire conversation repulsive.

Is 10 years old a magic number or something? My kids are 7 and 9 and i will be sickened to my stomach to learn some woman had sex with my son at the age of 10. No one is attacking anyone in SL over this, but wow what is so hard about saying something like a 10 year old + 30 year old = WRONG, unless you think that is fine. In which case, i doubt you have children as I cannot imagine any parent looking at their kid of that age and thinking it would be o.k. for them to be engaged in sex with anyone of any age, especially an adult.


It wasn't so much cheeky as a way to point out what happens in sl is virtual. Much like what is depicted in books, movies, etc ... ( look at Taxi Driver, The Crush, and the ever popular Lolita movies )

All those involve underage interaction, yet are not child porn (all actors were of legal age as in SL... supposedly. all depictions of sex were simulated and not actual adult and child interactions.)
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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01-11-2009 14:58
From: Briana Dawson
Disgusting.

A 10 year old involved in sexual situations with a 30 year old is just plain and simple disgusting.
That's fair. My RL marriage has a 22 year age gap as well. (^_^)y
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I know we here in SL like to refrain from passing judgment for fear of alienating some group or persons, but any sexual material involving grown adults and 10 year old children is sick. Thankfully this is just a "Manga", but we all know it does not stop there.
It stops there for me. I just kinda listed my favorite series in that list. (^_^)y
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Marianne McCann
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01-11-2009 15:18
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oky, the OP asked what the SL rules were on kid avvies and sex. The question was answered. Can we let this go, or do we have to keep beating this particular dead horse? We're far afield at this point, well off of SL, kay?
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01-11-2009 15:19
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Briana Dawson
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01-11-2009 15:19
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
That's fair. My RL marriage has a 22 year age gap as well.

It kindat sounds like you are saying an age gap between a 10 year old and a 30 year old is acceptable, but I do not think you mean to say that, right?

A 22 year old age gap is fine. In fact, i don't care about any sort of age gap once we are talking about all parties being of U.S. legal age. I personally have had had a greater than 30 year age gap for a guy i dated shortly at 19. So I have no problems with that.

To each their own taste. People can age play in SL all they want and I wont be reporting them since I know they are adults at the keyboard. My opinion of the people may drop dramatically but I am just one person and no one here takes my opinion to heart so much that what i think or believe can hurt feelings. Or else I would have kept my mouth shut.
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01-11-2009 15:23
From: Argent Stonecutter
Sadomasochistic equine necromancy? In the forums? Never!


It's more common than you think!
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01-11-2009 15:25
Stop to put underage equine's in boxes!
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01-11-2009 15:43
From: Marianne McCann
Can we let this go, or do we have to keep beating this particular dead horse?

No. Dead horse beating is the national sport of the Internet. Didn't you get the memo?
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01-11-2009 15:57
From: Marianne McCann
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TWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

oky, the OP asked what the SL rules were on kid avvies and sex. The question was answered. Can we let this go, or do we have to keep beating this particular dead horse? We're far afield at this point, well off of SL, kay?
I agree with Mari - the sooner we stop posting in this damn thread, the sooner someone will get to start a new one.

:D


(sorry, Mari - I just could not resist since someone always has to bring this damn topic up constantly anymore).
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01-11-2009 16:14
From: Marcel Flatley
Common sense???

Tell me, where is the common sense in a world where violence is perfectly normal, and sexuality is considered obscene? Where a 17 year old having something sexual with a 29 year old is the biggest scandal around, where showing a nipple on television is almost a crime, but carrying guns and watching killing sprees on television is accepted as completely normal?

Where is the common sense in a society where showing a nude body, you know, the skin we all were born in, became obscene? Where is the common sense in the fact that nowadays a father should be scared to bathe his own child? Where taking pics of your own nude child can be consider child porn????? Common sense you say?

Don't forget, nature made out bodies mature around our 12th year. Our society created the 18 (in my country 16) year boundary. That same society where violence became an accepted norm. So please, don;t get me started on common sense. Mankind said goodbye to common sense a long time ago.
I agree with you 100% (must be a first). Common sense is actually awfully uncommon in today's society.
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01-11-2009 16:47
Oh no, a 17 year old AVATAR is having sex.

AN AVATAR.

An avatar may be.. a sheep, a kettle, or ELVIS PRESLEY, a stop watch.

People need to wake the f up and smell the roses.

Thousands of people have sex in second life as child avatars every day. 12 and below. Just continue with your petty lives.
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01-11-2009 16:54
From: QD Muggins
An avatar may be.. a sheep, a kettle, or ELVIS PRESLEY, a stop watch.
I'm a little teapot, short and stout... ?
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01-11-2009 16:59
From: QD Muggins

People need to wake the f up and smell the roses.

Thousands of people have sex in second life as child avatars every day. 12 and below. Just continue with your petty lives.


The mainstream and the media don't see it that way.
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01-11-2009 17:33
From: Briana Dawson
It kindat sounds like you are saying an age gap between a 10 year old and a 30 year old is acceptable, but I do not think you mean to say that, right?
I agreed with you, to a limit. My own example. And the story with "that" relationship was erotic, not sexual, and it was mostly used as a toilet humor joke about the stereotype of unwed 30-somethings in Japan. (^_^)
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To each their own taste. People can age play in SL all they want and I wont be reporting them since I know they are adults at the keyboard. My opinion of the people may drop dramatically but I am just one person and no one here takes my opinion to heart so much that what i think or believe can hurt feelings. Or else I would have kept my mouth shut.
You couldn't pay me to disagree with you here. But, I think people have more respect for your opinion than you believe. (^_^)y
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01-11-2009 17:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
I'm a little teapot, short and stout... ?
You know, you might want to do something about that. Studies have shown that "short and stout" will result in being looked down upon more often than not.
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01-12-2009 13:29
From: Olivia Serenity
As I said, the avatar is 17, the person playing is an adult. I am 100% sure what is going on. However, I have read articles that LL is cracking down on this because it constitute child pornography.


The age of consent in my state is 16, hence legal here. This isn't child pornography. It may be illegal to do this in SL, but it's not in many states in RL.
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