Question on prim cloths

Just to kill time while the lindens eat hamburgers and hotdogs over their extended weekend, a question... How many times do you buy prim cloths (skirts or guy things) that fit right out of the box and you don’t have to spend an hour re-sizing and positioning before it looks half decent?

Maybe I just don’t shop at the right shops but every single prim skirt I’ve bought, including one today I’ve had to do a major “adjustment” on before I could actually wear it.

I have a female alt that I use occasionally...have never had a prim skirt fit out of the box except for one time.

Hi Lota,

if i ever found a prim cloth fitting right out of the box...?? one simple answer: never, every avatar has a kinda unique size, length, etc, etc, the only way to make the clothing fit precise is to deliver a shape with it.
I have Celtic clothes with loads of prims and need to resize and relocate them individually to make it fit, and off course redo it all when i ever decide to change my shape, its a bit of work, but it look sooo much better when you spend a little time on it.

regs,
Dargo

I have, actually. Most Bare Rose outfits need very little fiddling on my end, if any. Only thing that is funny with them is that for some reason the neck/lapel attachments regularly come up in the middle of my chin. She must build for avatars with a really long neck.

I spent ages adjusting some kerchief hanging out of a backpocket Bruce Springsteen style. But then, those were actually womens' pants, yet I wanted those on a male avi, lol.
Had no need to adjust the prim pockets that came with some cargo jeans I got from Style/Simone, they were aligned and sized just right.
THE attachment took a while to configurate, but that was mostly because it was oversized, like all THOSE attachements are out of the box, and it needed some skin adjustments as well.

I have had many outfits fit correctly right out of the box, but I usually do have to do a bit of minor tweaking on the skirts. If any fitting ever takes more than about 5-10 min, it immediately gets trashed. The second time it happens from the same creator, I note never to shop there again -- if it is a really costly outfit, the creator will only get one chance.

Never...I always have to tweak

Most of mine, especially from Decadent Designs fit almost perfect to me.

Ocassionally stuff will fit right away, but most will take some tweaking, which is fine. Unless of course.. the designer for some reason decided it was better to have customers mod the shape to fit rather than let the prim stuff be modify. Boggles the mind..

Like with real clothes, clothes in SL are made to fit a model the creator uses. This is what they deem to be the average shape of the customer. Any avatar that is much bigger or smaller than that will have to adjust the prims.

Things are getting better with resizing scripts and all but something that fits exactly to every avatar is still on the horizon.

Resizing scripts make things worse if people use them as an excuse to make the object no-mod. I always have to move stuff a few prims at a time, and that's just not possible with resizers.

Yes I prefer the pulling by hand also. Although I can see where someone new to all that editing stuff would be intimidated by it.

The majority of prim skirts fit my avatar "out of the box." Any adjustments I have to make in clothing prims are usually collars.

I don't really do much in the way of major adjustments to my prim skirts. I usually have to adjust the height at which the skirt is attached. If the skirt fits correctly out of the box there's a good chance I'll go back to that store because it means that the creator's shape is similar to mine.

I don't know if I have short legs or something but whenever I buy a ball gown the skirt length is ridiculously long. It's a good thing they disappear into the ground when they are too long.

I'm pretty much the same way. Most of what I buy manages to fit acceptably, if not perfectly, on my avatar. A lot do require some minor tweaking here and there to get things just right, though I've had a couple of skirts where, even after hitting the limits of edit mode's object stretching, they were still way too big for my body, and I've had to go in and move each prim individually. For these skirts, unless it is an otherwise exceptional build, I usually end up deleting it instead.

What are your body proportions? Do they match those of the models modeling the clothes in promotional images?

A LOT of SL women have a stretched out frame - very long limbs on a thin long torso with a tall height and triple D-boobs. I suspect most prim clothes are made to match.

My own body is an amateur's guess at 'Vitruvian':
http://www.davincilife.com/vitruvianman.html
- Ie: I set my height slider to make me 5'2" - the RL average of my peers (not that short for women, but it is a little short). I then 'eyeballed' trying to get that - with emphasis on 'eyeballing'. Ie: if you attack me with a ruler you will find I got it all wrong, but it looked good at the time, and people say I'm cute, so I kept what I got.

My boobs are also SL small. The slider's only at 50 for me - which looks like B-cup, real world average. Most SL women I see would make Dolly Parton look small.

- If I had been buying a lot of Prim clothes, I think I would have had your problem. Shopping, so much of it is not my body shape. Fortunately I stumbled upon "Bare Rose" recently and their models seem to be my body shape and boobs. A couple Japanese sims I've gone to also use a shape close to mine. I'm not sure if Bare rose is Japanese or not - it is themed that way, but everything is in English...

But recently I got a bunch of Gorean silks (they're beautiful, and I was doing random world TPs and landed on a Gorean intro/freebie market) and I've had to seriously edit all but two of them. They were made for that other, longish, body shape.

My avatar is 5'6", and i actually have hips, waist and a butt, therefore NO PRIM ANYTHING that goes over my butt and hips actually fits without being dramtically adjusted, and somethings can never be adjusted properly and i just have to either rip it apart and rebuild the item or just deal with a little misfitting prim bikini bottom.

Oh, have size 29 boobies in SL also means not having any prim bikini tops fit either - no matter what i do short of a complete rebuild of the item.

In fact, many prim outfits i just do not buy because i know they are made for Frankenbarbies and for me to wear them would be more work than i am willing to do for something that does not attach permanently to my avatar.

I call them Frankenbarbies or Frankesluts - depends on what they are wearing (like i have any room to talk about what another avatar may or may not be wearing! LOL)

I am -so- there with you... Giving myself curve was the first thing I did in SL, before I even made it from the rez spot to that initial 'welcome noob' sign.

By the way, Bare Rose prim tops often come with a warning label that if your boobs are too big, you're going to need to edit them. I think they assume proper size -stops- at 50. Making me and my 50 a little large for that place.
(But I have seen a few 'frankenboob' models in some of the products - I'm just talking about what I've seen in a lot of other product).

I recently tried a Bare Rose* primkini demo which came sized for 50% & 70% boobs. My 50's were too big, and my torso was too deep for the straps. Probably because I have non-zero body fat & thickness. The same usually goes for skirts: they're usually wrong on hips, butt or waist. Flexies can be a nightmare to adjust, making it even worse.

I've got pretty good at adjusting prim clothes, even to the extent of changing the proportion and position of individual prims. It's usually worth the effort to get something looking good. The same bugbears come up time and again: No copy - I have to modify the only copy I have, and if I screw it up, tough. No mod - just tough, and resize scripts **really aren't much help**. And finally: the elusive minimized prim. One part of the item is already 0.001m in one dimension, so you can't make *any* of it smaller until you find that prim. Once it was an invisible, unscripted prim hidden between two flexies that I swear was there just to piss me off.

*to be fair, I buy a lot of stuff from B@R and I love it. I did get a great outfit from there just the other day where the skirt fitted perfectly right out of the box. The sizing problem happens almost everywhere for most avatars.

LOL I like that one!!! Frankenbarbies....don't they usually become runway models IRL? lol

I always have to adjust things......some more then others.....but I'd rather have a prim skirt and adjust it then have a skirt layer that looks like I've got a permanant wind blowing up my back side......they always look ridiculous....on any avatar. The template just sucks.

But prim stuff.....I agree with that resize scripts are a pain in the ass. I'd much rather be able to adjust bits and pieces and get the item looking exact.....then have to rely on someone elses idea of 'fit'. It's really beginning to bug me with hair.....that is one thing that you almost always have to tweek and often just pieces to get the right look. Resizers actually make it impossible for some styles to work at all on certain avatars.

Anyway...I digress.....prim stuff nearly always has to be tweeked a bit, and I don't mind it at all.....I actually kind of enjoy the process. If something is a prim attachment, and it's sold no mod.....I wont even touch it. I have jewelery I can't even wear because of some creators brilliant assumption that everyone's neck is the same size.....

I have the same problem as many of you with a smaller avatar. My avatar is 5'9" (6'2" with high heels) and I have hips and a butt too like Briana but slightly larger boobs (slider set at 80 to match my 10yo implants ). Like soooo many of you I hate the "no-copy" aspect of prim cloths, especially when they cost a small fortune. I love the sizing scripts in shoes since it allows me to proportion my feet a little bit more realistically but I agree with Argent... I’d rather spend an hour modifying each prim on cloths and such. Thanks to everyone for their input.

This fits in with a "theory" I have.

I'm assuming you may be a new resident, but if not, I apologize. When I first began SL the only women I saw were the body types you describe. My avatar was taller to begin with just because I'm tall in RL and that was the height of the free shape I began with, but I didn't have the other out-of-proportion sizes.

Over time and tweaking, I made my avatar a bit shorter which made me a LOT shorter than the "boobs on a stick" type, but here's the interesting part...as a year or so went by, I noticed I rarely saw the first type anymore and saw more female avatars that were my size.

My theory is that a new resident either "happens" into that first shape or sees other female avatars and thinks that's the look to have. During the first bit of time a new resident is also generally in places where other new residents are as well. As time goes on and one finds her "place/s" in SL, other avatar types are encountered and one's own "tweaking" may begin.

I was thinking about this the other day when I encountered the avatar type you describe for the first time in literally months. She was a new resident (or at least a new alt) and I started thinking that I really don't run into new residents all that much in the places I go (I am a prolific profile-reader) and then I put 2 + 2 together for my totally unscientific theory on time in SL and its affect on avatar body type.

Or I just have too much time to think.

/spews Pepsi on monitor



This is one of my major bugaboos. Why can't jewelry be made mod? I make mine modifiable (not that I've made that much, but still...)

I avoid almost all system skirt outfits. I have found a FEW that if done in the right color, with glitch pants under them, and prim skirt over them, actually look okay and it is actually somewhat difficult to see the freakin gap at the waist.


THIS !!!!

No-mod glitch pants will also piss me off cuz I usually like mine a bit shorter than many places make them. Also, depending on how the prim skirt ends up being adjusted, the glitch pants might HAVE to be shortened.