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How to deal with problems ?

did you ever send a Abuse report to the Lindens

no, never had problems with other residents
18 (20.5%)

yes, a few times
52 (59.1%)

yes, often
10 (11.4%)

no, waist of my time, the lindens dont listen to me
8 (9.1%)

Total votes: 88
Unique Moonsoo
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Join date: 9 Oct 2007
Posts: 5
09-30-2008 02:59
I was wondering if somebody here know the answere for this.
I have problems with my neighbors and they are doing all they can to making me leave.
Every day there is something new going on like megaprims into my parcel, rain, mist, sounds, following spotlights, scripted and animated text through my walls and much more.
It seems that I became a obsesion for my neighbor and she is doing nothting else here than griefing me.
I think I send about 30 Abuse reports in the last months to the Lindens about the behavior of my neighbors and gues what......the lindens do NOTHING about this.
I try to contact some Lindens and try the live chat, send tickets about this problem.
The Linden answere is: send a AR..........yeah I did so many ........what if they dont help, sorry wrong department they say.
Remove my shop and deal with terrorists ?
Or stop playing SL because the Lindens dont protect their residents against people like my neighbors?
Ohh and I made a blog about this drama so you can some pictures about whats going on.
There are much more incidents than I wrote on my blog.
http://secondlife-drama.blogspot.com
Briana Dawson
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09-30-2008 03:05
Sell your land and move.
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Kelli May
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09-30-2008 03:22
I sympathise with your problems and on the evidence you've given, LL ought to take some action against your neighbour. Of course, I don't know the full history and only have your word that all this is unprovoked. Skimming your blog, I found your little notes to customers amusing and in good spirit, and your neighbour's actions reprehensible.

No, you shouldn't have to move, but it might be the best solution. As you rent, you could probably do this with minimal financial expense. You could maybe rent in a mall or retail-based sim where there are more stringent rules on neighbours' behaviour.

Another option would be to move your store up to a place where your neighbour isn't building. If sie is the determined griefer you portray them as, there's no guarantee it'd succeed as they could just move the offending objects to match.

As to ARs... I've ARd people for persistent caging attacks, temp-rezzers on neighbouring ad-parcels, sexual ageplay and selling genitals using images of childlike avatars. I've yet to have a worthwhile response from LL. At the same time we have ARs used as a griefing weapon by making false ageplay accusations which seem to get actioned almost instantly.
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Unique Moonsoo
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09-30-2008 03:28
No I will not move, I have my shop there for almost two years and then I have to move because my neighbor want my land.
That means that Griefers and terrorists can get what they want here in Secondlife.
and the Lindens look the other way.
FD Spark
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09-30-2008 03:46
It's no but its not because no one would listen. It's that I haven't even though I had few major reasons I probably could or should have.
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Phil Deakins
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09-30-2008 03:46
Assuming that you did nothing to provoke their badness...

It's a very bad situation and, since LL are very bad too, the best answer really is to move. It's right to not want to give in to scumbags, but it only damages you. You need to ask yourself whether it's better *for you* to move and have peace or to stay with all the negatives continuing. Nobody would like to give in to scummy stuff like that but, since LL does a very bad job, the benefit to you is worth it, imo.

A big problem that you have is that the owner of most of the sim is a concierge member, and can probably get instant action, which is probably why you were suspended. I don't know if your live chat will help as quickly, but ARs certainly don't. Your ARs may have been the reason why they removed some of the things - they may actually have worked.

You could keep the land and the shop, just to annoy them, and buy another piece for the real shop.
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09-30-2008 03:53
Break the Land down into 16M parcels and sell for ad spots lol
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Qie Niangao
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09-30-2008 04:03
From: Phil Deakins
Your ARs may have been the reason why they removed some of the things - they may actually have worked.
I suspect that's exactly what happened.

I'd suggest waiting a week or so, and hope that in the interim they do something really stupidly outrageous, and then ARing again, making sure to use some kind of land-related AR category. On October 1, there's a very dramatic change in LL's enforcement policy about Mainland harassment, and a much expanded Concierge team will handle the land-related ARs. At first, they'll probably be very busy dealing with adfarmers (the most explicitly stated of the policy changes), but if LL means what they're saying, your neighbors could very well end up losing their accounts if they continue harassing you.

But also in the meantime, if I were in this situation, I'd think of a good price for the parcel--a price that would buy me a much nicer place and generously compensate me for all the hassle and disruption and lost business caused by moving--and set the land for sale at that price. No ads, no signs--nothing that could possibly be considered harassment or extortion. It probably wouldn't sell, but if it did, it was priced such that I win; and if it doesn't, I haven't lost anything.
Chaos Borkotron
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Join date: 14 Jun 2008
Posts: 110
09-30-2008 04:12
if the lindens don't do anything then take matters into ur own hands and do the same, but worse back, i can write u up a rather mischivious script (re-rezzez itself and multiplies and chases avatars around)
Weston Graves
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Join date: 24 Mar 2007
Posts: 2,059
09-30-2008 04:20
I haven't AR'd. I was griefed a few times, but found it more fun to rise above it, or try to. I don't always succeed.

I saw the pictures and I could see why LL might interpret it as people being unintentionally rude. Your neighbors might be just clueless. I see that problem with the floating text all over, especially in malls with narrow walls. The customers are used to this sort of thing. Actually I wouldn't mind the rain at all. And if I were a customer I might verbally filet the owner of the following light myself. No need for you to get involved.

If I were you I would NOT move. We mustn't reward that behavior. I would find a way to dig in and I would try to utterly ignore all the provocations and not put up signs and so forth. Since the parcel is yours now, I would move a few hundred meters up as suggested above. I think most shopping is done by teleporting in anyway. If she follows you, do not respond with signs and drama. Get some other people together to AR your neighbor for encroachment. And do it quietly.

I know this is hard but it's the only thing that stands a chance of working in my opinion.
Ralektra Breda
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Join date: 7 Apr 2008
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09-30-2008 04:27
I think the best solution would be to move, not because it would be easier but because all this might hurt your business. I know it would be letting them win, but if you follow Qie's advice, you might be able to profit from the sale of your land. It seems like they want it pretty badly... If I were you, I would find another spot and set up my shop, leaving the first shop right where it is. Once the new shop is set up, leave the first shop and set your land for sale for a good price. If they want it that bad, let them pay for it. I'm sure they would take great pleasure in buying it and returning your store to you in a big lump, but since you are already set up elsewhere, who cares?
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09-30-2008 04:29
From: Kelli May
...As to ARs... I've ARd people for persistent caging attacks, temp-rezzers on neighbouring ad-parcels, sexual ageplay and selling genitals using images of childlike avatars. I've yet to have a worthwhile response from LL. At the same time we have ARs used as a griefing weapon by making false ageplay accusations which seem to get actioned almost instantly.
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From: Chaos Borkotron
if the lindens don't do anything then take matters into ur own hands and do the same, but worse back, i can write u up a rather mischivious script (re-rezzez itself and multiplies and chases avatars around)
Uh... Bad move... That's running the risk of an AR that might get paid attention to. (>_<;)
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Awnee Dawner
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Join date: 7 Apr 2008
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09-30-2008 05:31
hey!

ive never filled an ar and hopefully will never fill, however ...

i would say look for a nice parcel transfer your shop
what to lose : bad neighbours and a lot of problems
what to win : a new start, maybe a redesign, a good feel
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Eli Schlegal
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09-30-2008 05:38
I can see the OP's reasoning for not wanting to move. If they have been there 2 years you would lose all that traffic and recognition. I would keep on ARing and hope for the best. The people suggesting retaliation are giving bad advice.
HoneyBear Lilliehook
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Join date: 18 Jun 2007
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09-30-2008 05:39
From: Unique Moonsoo
Or stop playing SL because the Lindens dont protect their residents against people like my neighbors?


*gasp*

Don't you dare quit, Unique! I'd cry over the loss of a very talented designer!

I'd keep sending the reports until the Lindens have no choice but to pay attention!

And really, if that doesn't work, move. But don't quit!!
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09-30-2008 05:49
From: Chaos Borkotron
if the lindens don't do anything then take matters into ur own hands and do the same, but worse back

Always a bad plan.
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Metal Bookmite
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09-30-2008 07:31
Have you chatted with the neighbours?
Milla Alexandre
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09-30-2008 09:23
From: Briana Dawson
Sell your land and move.


Yup.....simplest answer is usually the best. Mainland areas can be tricky for this reason....no covanant....no rules....people tend to do what they want. If your neighbor isn't directly griefing you....but just experimenting and 'playing' with builds and scripts and particles......well there's not much you can do.

Just move. It's really not that difficult. I've stayed away from mainland areas for that reason tho.....too many people doing too many crazy things on unrestricted land. It's not worth the hassle. There's tons of better places to rent or own. Take some time to look around and find a better spot. Unless you really like drama.... just move. ;)
Rene Erlanger
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Join date: 28 Sep 2006
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09-30-2008 10:19
For long term sanity & business, i would say move......but if you've been there 2 years already, you'd lose your existing traffic by setting up elsewhere. Effectively you have to start again with search optimisation, marketing and so forth.

If it's on a point of principle, I would say "hang in there"....this is most likely what i would do, as i can't abide bullies of any form!. Actually, i'd go a lot further by buying up as much surrounding land all around their sim edges and give them like for like medicine but from all directions.!! :)

Your best option however is to run a parallel business as mentioned by Ralektra & Qie.....theres plenty of quality land suitable for commerical activities on Mainland, especially on the Old Continent. Make the new store your main store.....and after time once you have built up a regular traffic flow, place the old parcel at Fafnir for sale at a very high price (2 or 3 times what you paid for). Leave your old shop on there as "bait"....as i'm sure they would pay the high price just so that they would have the pleasure of returning your old shop! You'll be the real victor as you walk away with a tidy land sale profit with zero disruption to your business.
Lewis Parker
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11-06-2008 13:48
Strange how everyone has become judge and jury, name calling and such. However not one of you, ever I met. As there are two side to this Wall, there are also two sides to this story. If you are going to have an opinion, should you not come and learn from the otherside of the wall first.

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From: Phil Deakins
Assuming that you did nothing to provoke their badness...

It's a very bad situation and, since LL are very bad too, the best answer really is to move. It's right to not want to give in to scumbags, but it only damages you. You need to ask yourself whether it's better *for you* to move and have peace or to stay with all the negatives continuing. Nobody would like to give in to scummy stuff like that but, since LL does a very bad job, the benefit to you is worth it, imo.

A big problem that you have is that the owner of most of the sim is a concierge member, and can probably get instant action, which is probably why you were suspended. I don't know if your live chat will help as quickly, but ARs certainly don't. Your ARs may have been the reason why they removed some of the things - they may actually have worked.

You could keep the land and the shop, just to annoy them, and buy another piece for the real shop.
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11-06-2008 13:52
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Break the Land down into 16M parcels and sell for ad spots lol

LMAO!! That would do it I think...

But yea... Moving may be the best bet.. If you have a shop there and this behavior continues it will effect your business.. Sooo a wise BUSINESS decision is to move for the better of your product and to your customers.
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11-06-2008 13:55
From: Lewis Parker
Strange how everyone has become judge and jury, name calling and such. However not one of you, ever I met. As there are two side to this Wall, there are also two sides to this story. If you are going to have an opinion, should you not come and learn from the otherside of the wall first.

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Like there is EVER a good and valid reason for GRIEFING??
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11-06-2008 14:08
From: Unique Moonsoo
No I will not move, I have my shop there for almost two years and then I have to move because my neighbor want my land.
That means that Griefers and terrorists can get what they want here in Secondlife.
and the Lindens look the other way.


Get your revenge by selling the land to them at a high price.
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