The story of a land

I am not going to argue how prevalent it was as obviously you don't have any facts to back you up as to how many were selling estate parcels at $1L in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

The fact of the matter is that yes, as shown in the archived thread that I posted, it has been going on since 2006, since the time estate parcels were added to the general land search.


That does not mean that estate owners who did it in 2006 were "experimenting" but those who do it now are "scammers". This has been going on for a long, long time and it is not a new problem.

It's not pedantic and if you think it is then you don't understand the meaning of the word. It is not overly concerned with minutia of detail. Understanding that Estate land can only be rented from an Estate owner and not bought is critical for the understanding of anyone who pays a purchase price for Estate land. Your pointing out that you are a renter to Linden Lab is also not pedantic. If it were pedantic then there would not be the uproar that occurs when Linden Lab takes actions regarding land policies to remedy its own poor business decisions that are inequitable from the point of view of mainland and/or Estate owners such as what occured during the recent Open Space fiasco.

Tiana has done the right thing by posting to make people aware of what can happen.

Hopefully she can help a few people who read and take note of it.

Unfortunately not everyone reads.

Well actually i do.....i was actively buying SIMs in 2006 and 2007 and knew about the market from that period as i was regularly looking at what all the other Estates were charging for their parcels of all different sizes.....i did not recall seeing a swarm of 1 L lands during those years. So i think its poppycock!

The only reason why i knew it was happening on a large scale in 2008, was because plenty of Estateowners inside the Concierge Info Group were moaning about it ....despite myself not being active in the market in terms of buying sims.

If you were ever an Estateowner actively doing business, you'll know that not all people want to Rent, some prefer to purchase the land for those resale rights, which came with a purchase price. Now in 2006 and 2007 that was quite the norm...during last year and now, the culture has somewhat shifted as most people prefer to rent on Estate land.

Aside from my own sims, I have purchased plots from both Fantasyland and Dreamland Estates, probably spent over 200k. They have treated me well and provide support.......in no way do i feel the risk that they'll pull the plug on me. Sure those lands are now only worth a fraction of what i paid......but the market was quite different in 2006 & 2007 to now.

(Fantasyland has 800 sims and Dreamland has 500+ sims, they sell all their plots for resale rights......i don;t see either of these Estates folding anytime soon!)

That is your opinion, which you're entitled to, but you shouldn't really state it as a fact.

If you actually have verifiable numbers showing how many estate parcels were sold for $1L each year I'd love to see them.

Somehow I doubt you have numbers on that since you were claiming that it started last year until you were shown a thread proving otherwise.

I was very active in the land market myself in 2006/7 which is how I knew it was occurring back then.

Well from my own experience pricing my own lands based on what were the typical sale and tier rates from other Estates during 2006/7.....i say poppycock.....because i did not see these supposed 1 L lands. If they were around, I sure as hell didn't see them.

I kept spreadsheets of Estates back then, listing Estate names,size lands,sale prices & Tier fees.

Quite frankly i just don't believe you at all....because land prices back then were very high per sqm. If someone wanted to game the Land listing section for a rental, they didn't have to list as 1 Linden.......just listing 1 week's rent in advance would have been very low by comparison to all those other sale prices.

The onus is on you to show me....you made that bold claim.......show me somewhere..anywhere, ....that someone was selling rental plots for 1 Linden. If you do....I'll eat humble pie!

The short answer is you can't. Even if they have a good 'reputation', estate owners can go bust any day and your land goes with it. In that respect mainland is more reliable because LL is the state owner. Buying estate land is a nonsense, you don't buy anything. See it as a set up fee, nothing more than that. No wonder LL will not step in..
And as others already indicated, dont talk to someone selling you estate land, talk to the estate owner, he holds the guns.

Again, you are not buying anything. You rent the right to rezz a number of prims in a certain area for a certain amount of time. Its more like parking your car than buying guns

Exactly why you should only buy mainland, renting estates is fine but putting down more than a couple of weeks rent is just risking throwing it away.

Gator your parking garage decided that instead of allowing you to park your car for 30 days this month , your only allowed ten - so we dumped your car on the side of the road and kept your 30-day payment.

Gator, when you pay you enter into a contract for a agreed upon amount of time. For some reason Linden Lab does have 'Fraud->Land' as one of its abuse report categories. Perhaps it is there for survey reasons only.


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On the 1L thing:
I think it's fair to say (from reading these posts) that 1L land was offered from way back but it mushroomed during last year.

On the "whose fault" thing:
The largest fault is with the criminal, of course, but there is also fault with private estate owners who set the land for sale at 0L or 1L AND who know that this of scam is going on in SL, without putting some technical measure in place to deal with it - such as programmatically reclaiming the land in a *very* short time if the tier isn't paid. I'm sure that many, perhaps most, estate owners aren't aware of the scam. I've never heard of it before. I'm not an estate owner but these things do tend to show up here, and this is the first time I've heard of the scam. To know that it happens, and still to open the door for it to happen, is bad, imo. It's like the landowner saying that s/he simply doesn't care if someone uses his/her land to rob people.

I did show you. It's back in that thread from 2006 that I posted. If you want more, go ahead and research archived threads on your own without being spoon-fed information.

I'd love to help you out with your research, Rene, but I already posted one thread stating this was happening in 2006, and I'll just spoonfeed you a bit more from 2007:

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/showthread.php?t=509

/327/c9/182677/1.html




/327/d9/221717/1.html

And to be really helpful, there is this little word at the top that says "search" if you need any more info by all means feel free to go ahead and try it out yourself.

Well i believe we are both partially right....you were correct to say lands were being listed for 1 Linden (my apologies).....but they weren't really being sold for 1 Linden as they are being now, it was a deliberate land listing scam...as highlighted by the OP of that link you provided above (from Aug 2007)




The difference now, is that you can actually BUY the land for 1 Linden with no further purchase set up costs required. They just have to pay the rent or tier thereafter.

Regardless about the finer details..i still think the underlying theme of setting lands for sale at 1 Linden is dubious! To me, these type of Estateowners, no matter how successful they are...remain dumb#sses.....be it in Aug 2007 or Apr 2009.