"Travelling Salesmen"
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Smoke Carter
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03-07-2008 23:10
From: Kaimi Kyomoon How would you feel if someone else in SL started making kilts just as good as yours and selling them a bit cheaper? I think that is a fair competition. I would then have no cause for complaint, unless of course he used my kilt as his model. You have to understand that getting the flexi to act right, getting it aligned correctly (not going somewhere and pulling mine apart - jotting down the position and dimentions) and all that goes into designing being taken. and yes, if the damn kilt is EXACTLY the same as mine, I am pretty sure that is what happened, you can use 18, 20, 22 etc, sections at X or Y or z angle with XX gravity, YY softness etc. The chances are that the copy would be so exact....well |
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Void Singer
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03-07-2008 23:40
hmm some one is on my land, selling things and not paying rent... I'd ban 'em... and your landlord should too, it hurts your business and ultimately their profits... and no business I know of allows outside solicitors w/o permission.
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Ricardo Harris
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03-08-2008 01:13
From: Ricardo Harris No offense to op but this is the same exact mentality most shop owners have in sl. They feel no one but them deserves to eat. This is what continues to feed their self delusions and paranoia of thinking everyone is out to copy their stuff.
Not wanting to sell mod items because they don't want customers changing what they buy from them although they've already been paid for what they sold. This is the reasoning behind most non-mod items.
Not wanting to sell transferable items so customers won't re-sell them as if everyone went about doing this. They feel only they should benefit from selling those items although once again their items have been brought and paid for. Again, this is their reasoning.
I know, in response I'll see they've worked an hour or so making an item. But in countering, no one makes them work to sell anything, this is their choice. And more importantly, they're getting the exact price they're asking for which in turn should more then quench their thirst for compensation and satisfy them for the work they've put into building.
Everyone can and should sell whatever they feel like it, regardless of what it is or who they got it from. In an alley, on the main thoroughfare, under a table, next or in front of a shop.
Although, some may dispute this although not in public, their belief is since they have shops no one but they can advance as they're entiltled to more privileges and rights then others. I'll state it twice with very strong emphasis on the first and last paragraphs. |
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Lear Cale
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03-08-2008 06:29
You're complaining about two unrelated things as though they're the same. First, traveling salesmen: people selling without shops. That's perfectly legit, and it's up to the owner of the pub or whatever venue to allow it or not. If you don't like the policy of your location, find a better one. Second, copying. The sincerest form of flattery, but unfortunately, not profitable for the designer. If they've just *learned* from looking at your products, but done their own work, then too bad, it's simply competition. If they've done detailed copies of your designs, that's copyright infringement, but not DMCA-able unless they're using your *digital* property -- i.e., they copied your textures. IMHO, the detailed copies are the biggest problem, not being DMCA-able and not being worth pursuing a lawsuit (which would be the correct approach if big bucks were involved). I feel for you here, but the only thing you can do is continue creating new and better content. This is how the big SL clothing stores stay in business! Other than that, it's a free market, so stop whining, or go join a communist sim.  |
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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03-08-2008 08:22
We do have to accept the fact that 2 people or more can invent pretty much the same thing in SL independently of one another. When you are making textures based on rl tartans even they could be pretty similar from one designer to the next.
But that being said, I don't want people copying my stuff and selling their copies next door for half the price of mine.
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Colette Meiji
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03-08-2008 08:27
From: Kaimi Kyomoon We do have to accept the fact that 2 people or more can invent pretty much the same thing in SL independently of one another. When you are making textures based on rl tartans even they could be pretty similar from one designer to the next.
But that being, I said don't want people copying my stuff and selling their copies next door for half the price of mine. I wouldn't mind someone opening up a shape shop next door to me. I wouldn't want them COPYING my shapes and moving in next door to me though. I also wouldn't want them selling shapes of any variety, for any price in MY STORE. |
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3Ring Binder
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03-08-2008 08:43
From: Ann Launay zomg 3Ring, I love the bunny! *steals it* (\ /) ( . .) c(" (" i stole it too! 
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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03-08-2008 08:43
From: Colette Meiji I wouldn't mind someone opening up a shape shop next door to me.
I wouldn't want them COPYING my shapes and moving in next door to me though.
I also wouldn't want them selling shapes of any variety, for any price in MY STORE. Exactly how I feel. (about clothes and clothes shops)
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3Ring Binder
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03-08-2008 08:48
From: Smoke Carter Yes I would, I am a fair person. OK let me put it this way. YOU are a farmer with a field. You go to the trouble of clearing the land, plowing and seeding it, then come out one morning to find half gone. You harvest what is left and take it to market (clinching your belt because you have taxes due on the land) and find someone has been there with YOUR wheat and sold it at one third of the price you need. Would you put in another crop?
Hell yes I would care....I want to see new and better things on SL. These guys are killing initiative by their methods.....
or are you one of the wheat reapers? you have described someone stealing your wares from your store and selling them in market. that is not the scenerio you portrayed previously. is he stealing your stuff and selling it, or selling similar items on your land? if he is stealing your stuff, ban him. if he is selling on YOUR land, ban him. if he is selling randomly, all around, you have no case. the fact that he is selling similar items for a cheaper rate is just unfortunate, for you. perhaps you should lower your prices so you can compete, again.
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3Ring Binder
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03-08-2008 08:53
From: Colette Meiji I wouldn't mind someone opening up a shape shop next door to me.
I wouldn't want them COPYING my shapes and moving in next door to me though.
I also wouldn't want them selling shapes of any variety, for any price in MY STORE. a very fine SL artist had a neighbor copying his items and selling them, one parcel away (on their own land). it was not good. the thief was actually STEALING (ripping) the textures. side note: i have some textures i bought and use, and i recently spotted two of the same textures in a big warehouse type store. i am considering taking mine off the floor, because i am now worried they were stolen. or, maybe we both bought from the same place. or maybe someone stole MINE. my land is far far away from this other store, but still.... please advise on best method of action i should take in this case. if the travelling salesman is stealing textures and creating objects for sale with them, i can see why the OP would be upset. but i did not see any evidence of that being the case. he also did say that the salesman was near his place, but not on his land. please correct me if i'm wrong in any case.
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Colette Meiji
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03-08-2008 09:16
From: 3Ring Binder
if the travelling salesman is stealing textures and creating objects for sale with them, i can see why the OP would be upset. but i did not see any evidence of that being the case. he also did say that the salesman was near his place, but not on his land. please correct me if i'm wrong in any case.
As far as I could tell someone is just offering competing products of the same type as the OP's for less money in an adjacent parcel. So I dont see the issue, Unless said salesman is camming into the OP's shop and IM'ing his customers with stuff like "Hey don't buy there I can offer stuff just as good for less .." Etc. |
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3Ring Binder
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03-08-2008 09:35
From: Colette Meiji Unless said salesman is camming into the OP's shop and IM'ing his customers with stuff like "Hey don't buy there I can offer stuff just as good for less .." Etc. that would be bad. i, personally, would not buy from someone doing such underhanded selling.
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