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Island Cost Changes and non business people

Trolane Demonia
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04-11-2008 07:12
Everyone complaining seems to be someone who bought an island to make money on.
Some of us bought an island, maybe with that idea at first but decided to keep it as our own SIM.
This money change effects us allot. If it ever came i had to resell the SIM i just lost $600. No one in their right mind will buy a used sim for 1600 something with transfer fees and stuff when they can get a new one for 1000.
Knowing I could get my money back on the SIM was a big determination on spending that money to buy it in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, i love my island and being just for me and my love, but if it ever came time to leave SL i'm out an extra $700 now abouts.
Sue Saintlouis
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04-11-2008 07:14
I don't have a whole sim, but that will affect all of us who bought land prior to the price change. The land will resell for less, a lot less.
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Rockwell Ginsberg
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04-11-2008 07:36
Join the club.
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Kidd Krasner
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04-11-2008 07:48
In the real world, property values go up far more often than they go down, so people are used to the idea of a home being a good investment. Unless, of course, you were bitten by a crash such as the current mortgage crisis, where both homeowners and banks have been losing money in far greater amounts.

For technology, however, costs have always gone done, often much faster than in other industries. So saying that you just bought an island for $1600 and now it's only worth $1000 is like saying you bought a wide-screen flat panel TV for $4000, and the following year they were selling for $2000. Or maybe you bought a high-end CPU and motherboard for $1000, and the following week Intel or AMD announces a new processor, and your equipment is only worth $500.

That's the way it works. The value of your SL licenses is subject to the whims of LL. While there are lots of subtle points about buying land in SL that are difficult for new people to learn about, this isn't one of them. It should have been obvious, but it does require pausing for a moment to actually think about what you're buying, your expectations, and what could affect your expectations.
Trolane Demonia
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04-11-2008 08:06
an island is not a deprecitating peice of tech, far from it. Once sold it should never be sold cheaper than past sells. This isn't computer hardware this is land.
You must be one those people who doesn't take a relationship serious in SL or cheats if your mind can't see SL land is suppose to be like real life land.
Cristalle Karami
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04-11-2008 08:10
From: Trolane Demonia
an island is not a deprecitating peice of tech, far from it. Once sold it should never be sold cheaper than past sells. This isn't computer hardware this is land.
You must be one those people who doesn't take a relationship serious in SL or cheats if your mind can't see SL land is suppose to be like real life land.

You must be disconnected from reality if you think this is like rl land. Don't think tech costs are going to go down? They will. Hell, competition will push the price down. Land is not a secure investment in SL, and even in RL. There is a risk of it actually losing its value. We are used to it appreciating but that's not always the case.

Every investment comes with some measure of risk. Don't be deluded into thinking yours didn't.
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:11
the best solution to this is to build a massively tall building on your expensive land, climb to the top and jump off it, do that a few times and you'll forget about it.

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Not a death in the family
We've seen all the best sights, been on all the best rides
At the amusement park-on Saturday
We got tongue-tied, after all the best fights
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Since the circus left town
We've been seen kicking round
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We've already been down
We're just moving our lips, making the sound
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:13
Alternatively:

Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it
Life is unfair, kill yourself or get over it

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Trolane Demonia
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04-11-2008 08:18
tech costs have nothing to do with land. if a server costs $100 and they sell the land for 1700 still thats more profit for LL than if it once costed $500.
There is no competition in this landscape for linden labs at the moment at least.
Anything that comes out will need to compete and be years behind in content so pricing isnt an issue there any time soon.
Rockwell Ginsberg
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04-11-2008 08:25
From: Trolane Demonia
an island is not a deprecitating peice of tech, far from it. Once sold it should never be sold cheaper than past sells. This isn't computer hardware this is land.
You must be one those people who doesn't take a relationship serious in SL or cheats if your mind can't see SL land is suppose to be like real life land.


I think this is a joke.
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Chosen Few
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04-11-2008 08:34
From: Trolane Demonia
tech costs have nothing to do with land.

Really? Since when?
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:37
From: Chosen Few
Really? Since when?

he means 'real' virtual land Chosen, not virtual land that isn't real, I mean if you can see it and walk on it in SL it must be real. for myself I'm waiting until I can smell it before I declare it 'real'.
Trolane Demonia
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04-11-2008 08:37
tech costs should only drive land prices up not down. Any lower costs of servers should be kept as profit for LL to improve its datacenter.
Alicia Sautereau
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04-11-2008 08:38
tech costs have nothing to do with it as they will endup changing to a faster server soon™
















and then stuff 2 more sims on it...
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Xplorer Cannoli
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04-11-2008 08:42
Just like the grandfathered regions, SL needed to make our current regions exclusive so at the very least, they have THAT value. Instead, they just watered down the entire market.

Who knows how much longer LL will allow grandfathered regions to remain at 195, however, I would imagine that those regions would be upgraded to class 5 for no additional charge at that time.
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Cristalle Karami
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04-11-2008 08:46
From: Trolane Demonia
tech costs should only drive land prices up not down. Any lower costs of servers should be kept as profit for LL to improve its datacenter.

Um hello? Broadband access gets cheaper as time goes on, as technology improves. If you want dialup access now you could get it for next to nothing, whereas you used to have to pay $30 or so a month for it. Now, look what you get for the same price. As time goes on you get more bang for your buck. And the same goes with processor speed. You don't have to spend $3,000 to get a decent computer these days.

Ten years ago that would have been my budget for a new home computer. Now, the only way I'd pay that money is if I wanted a bleeding-edge gaming computer.

Where have you been the last 10 years? Has your tech cost gone up for the same level of usage?
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:47
presently there is a US$100 charge for just a class switch, if you upgrade from class 4 to class 5 your bill goes up to $295 from whatever it was before.

Class Switch

For those that have both class 4 and class 5 regions, owned by the same account, you will be able to request that the class designations for the two regions be switched around - the class 4 becoming 5, and the class 5 dropping to class 4. The bill date and fees will follow the class in this case, so whatever bill date you had on the class 4 will remain the same on the new class 4 and vice versa. There will be a fee of USD$100 for each class switch.
Cristalle Karami
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04-11-2008 08:48
Oh, Dekka, that's just a ploy for LL to rake in a little extra cash.
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:49
From: Trolane Demonia
tech costs should only drive land prices up not down. Any lower costs of servers should be kept as profit for LL to improve its datacenter.

*wonders if you have virtual land stocks 'n' shares in SL?*
Dekka Raymaker
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04-11-2008 08:49
From: Cristalle Karami
Oh, Dekka, that's just a ploy for LL to rake in a little extra cash.

that was part in answer to Xplorer Cannoli post previous page :)
Kidd Krasner
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04-11-2008 09:23
Please don't feed the Trolane.
Derbor Torok
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04-11-2008 09:36
From: Cristalle Karami
You must be disconnected from reality if you think this is like rl land. Don't think tech costs are going to go down? They will. Hell, competition will push the price down. Land is not a secure investment in SL, and even in RL. There is a risk of it actually losing its value. We are used to it appreciating but that's not always the case.

Every investment comes with some measure of risk. Don't be deluded into thinking yours didn't.


QFT

People, bandwidth and hosting costs are going DOWN and will continue to do so. It is unreasonable to expect to recover the cost of a sim...

.d
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Trolane Demonia
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04-11-2008 09:42
instead of lowering the costs you up the benefits. 15k prim on old stuff? 30k on new stuff, etc...
Ciaran Laval
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04-11-2008 09:46
From: Derbor Torok
QFT

People, bandwidth and hosting costs are going DOWN and will continue to do so. It is unreasonable to expect to recover the cost of a sim...

.d


I've never sold my bandwidth or hosting to anyone else. I pay my supplier. Ergo there's no resale value, ergo it's not an asset in the sense that an estate is an asset. If resale wasn't allowed, you'd most definitely have a point. However if resale wasn't allowed, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Ciaran Laval
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04-11-2008 09:48
From: Trolane Demonia
instead of lowering the costs you up the benefits. 15k prim on old stuff? 30k on new stuff, etc...


Yup, my ISP keep increasing the speed of my broadband, my fee stays pretty much the same. Of course with inflation this means my costs are actually reducing but the base price stays much the same.
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