Live musicians: what do they get out of it?

Are these live performances really live? Or are they recordings of live RL performances that are uploaded and streamed?

I know that at least one of the live performances I've seen is more like the latter, and I've assumed that they were all like that. Cable upload speeds seem too inconsistent to trust for a truly live performance. I assume DSL is the same way, and I can't imagine musicians getting a dedicated T1 or guaranteed fraction, unless perhaps they're using a school or work connection.

There's a delay, so when the performer laughs at the joke you made in chat, or thanks you for your tip, you'll be hearing it several seconds after they actually said it.

That's a lot of the fun of live music in SL, interacting with the performer and requesting songs and their incorporating what you say or your names in their performance and all...

When the musician feels the energy of the audience and we share it back and forth, it becomes an amazing thing that just isn't the same recorded.

I think it is wonderful when musicians set up a gig and play for say ten to twenty friends all over the world. As something to do, it strikes me as being worthwhile, and I don't even care if they are super talented - it is just NICE.

~Snowman~

Another part of the answer is this: most, perhaps all, live musicians in SL are *solo* artists.
Is that right?

No, not all.

^5

You either have an opinion of music that very few people in this world can live up to or you've had very bad luck with the SL musicians you've seen. Either way now you're going around publically telling everyone here that SL musician are dreadful. I am sorry but unless you get out there more often and learn who is who in world, please stop telling people that SL musicians are dreadful. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I know several live SL musicians with tons of talent and they continue to entertain me time after time (I guess my standards of musicial entertainment don't live up to your standards). For most of these musicians, it's about their love of the music, performing and their fans. It's not the Lindens.

Let's face it, very few people in SL can make an SL wage that would ever rival a RL wage regardless of how you choose to make SL money. Musicians are no different. One of my good SL friends is a successful SL musicians and she is dedicated to her music and her fans (she is closing in on 1000 fans in her group). She performs about 15 times a week, sometimes more and I would say that she on average is bringing in about $25 USD (maybe more) per show. Is that enough to live on? Hell no, but being an SL musician is not her primary job. She is a RL music teacher, a RL musician performing RL gigs and a SL musician because she enjoys her time in here.

he gave his personal opinion. it is HIS personal experience. yours is different. he is as welcome to tell us his opinion as you are. he even said "Can't judge them all based on a few performances." you are quite judgemental, Jessica.

First of all, I'd like to say that I greatly admire ANY musician who chooses to perform in SL... or indeed anywhere else. It's a very tough profession with more heartaches than any other I know.. but, for me anyway, the most rewarding one.

I've performed in RL since I was a little girl, there have been many times that I wished I did something else, but in reality, I know I never will because it's not only my job but my heart also...

I'd absolutely love to perform in SL....still trying to figure out exactly what I'd need regarding equipment, stream..etc..... but I can tell you this, it will happen....and it won't be for the money..I'll be singing because that's what I do best and that's what gives me so much joy, it's what truly allows me to express myself in a way that's both true and heartfelt for me.

As I've said, I haven't done an SL performance yet but I'd presume that what one gets out of it would be the same as what one would get out of a RL performance....When people take the time to listen to you....it's both an incredible honour and a pleasure.

www.pocketsmusic.wordpress.com

I get that with live DJs as well as live performers, though I must admit it's only in recent months that I've heard DJs add their own voice filler between songs.

There are good performers in Secondlife, SpaceJunky are a 3 piece modern band that was formed in Australia, but are currently spread out across the globe, Their lead singer has a sexy voice and basically streams their first CD they have just released and introduces each song. They put on a full stage show to their original music with an inworld crew of stagedirector / publicist / pyrotecknics to back them up. Part of their first soon to be released video was filmed in SL. They have their own permanent stage parcel, regularly pull 40 people to concerts 2-5 times a week. Sim owners pay them to perform and the tips are used to promote their album which can be brought online (and it rocks!). Most of the team have been in SL for 2 or more years and many of the songs are SL inspired.
Contact me if you want in to the SJ group to know when their next concert is or Bella Dutton for bookings and furter info.

Also a guy named Jax Streeter inworld has a 3 piece band that does similar work too and some great coversongs, he's great too. There are other good ones too, but can't think of their names offhand.

And the delay for streaming can be up to 45 seconds between talking and hearing your voice, fading inbetween is the professional trick, some DJ's seem to just cut roughly talk then cut back in.

I often thought ot would be great to hook up an electrick guitar and jam into SL for some people as my AV does a bit of Hendrix,AC/DC or GnR animations.
1. Not sure how to connect it technically.
2. Don't have a Guitar.
3. Can't play Guitar

I've had a quick read through this thread and I'd have to advise everyone to stay away from my shows. Either you wouldn't like them or they wouldn't live up to your expectations / stereotypes. Nothing to see... move along folks.

Alazarin , I might well like your stuff - do you have a way to advise me of shows that doesn't involve me joining a group?

The Blarney Stone is a nice place.
Does anyone know of others that do the same thing - streaming from RL?

Streaming from a venue in RL, where the musicians are getting the going rate for the gig, makes most sense to me.

I doubt it but you're welcome. I always list my shows in the SL events listings. Hell my Xmas shows are advertised in the Metaverse Messenger *AND* listed on the 4th Second Life Winter Festival HUD and still the only people who show up are personal friends from RL & a few from SL none of whom knew about the Winter Festival or my adverts and never use the SL events listings search.

"listed on the 4th Second Life Winter Festival HUD"
I got a Winter Festival HUD, so far as I saw it didn't have an events listing at all, just a bunch of landmarks, and didn't work properly - if you are seeing the first page of places, once you select one, and then select back, you aren't back on the first page, you are on the second page. Was there a way to make this hud tell you events with times?

Sigh, what I was hoping for was a system that tells me, not one where I have to remember to check for something.

I checked the stand Search Events list for holiday stuff a time or two , and at the times I did it one hundred percent of the results where sales at stores. The new search will let you search for events, but the events are listed in order by time, and the results are not formatted in such a way as to let you find the time easily. So phooey on that.

I've been to more than 50 and I've noticed at least 3 things:
1) One artist was so nervous that he could barely speak, I'm glad he had the opportunity to practice in front of a "live audience" and hope he improves. I didn't stick around to listen, though.
2) You notice all those times you try to rez something and it doesn't rez, or can't be picked up when you want to pick it up, or try to listen to music but can't seem to get it to work? The muscians have the same problems I've been to more than one performance where the artist ended up crashing out of SL, but still played on the stream; and more than one performance where the performer's own computer died.
3) There are several great acts on Slusic that I really wanted to see in SL; to find that some are still good, but they are performing live - one ended up stumbling over several songs because her baby was acting up.

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Oh, and unless the information was false, some of them already perform in Real life and get music awards. I know Dexter Ihnen has won several awards, and apparently had a major recording contract that he walked out on because he wanted to play his own music and they wanted him to play something else. Or, again, I have the information wrong. I believe he now has another music contract.
{still confused as to why Sally laughed when I mentioned Dexter}
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More than one musician has noted how much they love being able to talk directly with their audience, much more so than they can in a real life performance.

Unless they included bits where they already knew the names of their audience and included them in the songs they sing (which they might if they have a regular fans as many do), and unless they include bits where they are having trouble with the feed, and bits where their baby is acting up, I believe that some at least are live performances.

They do it because where else can they sit nude, sloshed on vodka and get tipped to play songs they love to play? *grins* They just have to be careful of things getting tangled in guitar strings

~Jessy

I've been to one actual band that played on stage, and another performance that included more than 1 performer, but only one avatar showed up. That one was really neat because the singer kept bantering with the piano player

Well darn. I was going to show a picture here of the one band I've seen in SL, but the picture is bad.

I know of one SL musician, who also plays clubs on the weekends in RL, who is getting 6000L for ONE HOUR, and his tip jar is ALWAYS more than 1500L for that hour. So, 7500L for one hour of work, and he does several clubs a week. He does speak live, but his music is obviously canned, but the guy's picking up what...$25 US a day on SL...MINIMUM? If he does 2-4 shows a day (and he can), he's doing very well.

It's quite easy for them to "can" the music portion, and then feed that in through SAM broadcaster, and 'mic' in between the songs.

Hehe - I meant during the songs. Including people's names, clothes, actions occuring right then and there in the songs. Not the stuff between the songs.

ROFL! I wonder if the OP chose that name just because of the greeting he/she would get!

I saw that this question didn't seem to have been responded to. Are you asking for other places that stream from some corresponding RL venue, or are you asking for a list of places that have live acts on a regular basis? I'm not aware of any venues doing the former on a regular basis. But places like Rocky Shores and Crazy Sharks have live music several times a week. Also coming to mind are venues like Hummingbird Cafe and Los Arboles that hold open mic events weekly as well as other events from time to time.

Personally, I get highly annoyed when I go to the Events tab and search "Live Music" and see a bunch of DJ events listed. I am very fond of several SL DJs, but that's not my definition of "live music."

As for streaming "live" vs. canned... I can name several performers who can part of their performance but not the whole thing (such as canning part/all of the instrumentals but not the voice), and I think as long as they are willing to come clean about it, that's fine. But, like people who are convinced "she's an alt," if you're determined to believe it's all canned, there's nothing that anyone can do to show you otherwise. IMHO, you're just letting your cynicism keep you from an opportunity to hear some good (and let's face it, some not-quite-so-good) musicians around the grid.

/me wonders what the cynics would say about the performers who stream live video, too...