False / Deceptive estate advertising in the forums ?
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-08-2008 02:20
From: Qie Niangao As a strictly Mainland geek, there's something I've never known: aside from the ability to "resell" through the land tools (if granted by the Estate owner), what other features are available to the Estate parcel owner that cannot be provided to a renter with the right set of group permissions?
Can the Estate owner give parcel owners access to some of the Estate Tools? Like, especially, the ability to see top scripts or any other Estate-only performance tools? (If so, I may have to sell up some Mainland and rent myself an OpenSpace!)
What else are my renters missing out on? they can only access the estate tools if they are added as manager, but as manager you can do everything the owner can except: upload/download terrain raw reclaim land add managers anyone on the list how ever has the ability to return all objects in the sim, yours, theirs or of other renters but it gives you the power to check on top scripts/colliders for better management |
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Qie Niangao
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09-08-2008 03:34
From: Alicia Sautereau they can only access the estate tools if they are added as manager, but as manager you can do everything the owner can except:
upload/download terrain raw
reclaim land
add managers
anyone on the list how ever has the ability to return all objects in the sim, yours, theirs or of other renters but it gives you the power to check on top scripts/colliders for better management Per sim, or across the whole Estate? That is, if there's some "Sim Manager" that doesn't have control over the whole Estate, then I can *really* see the appeal of an OpenSpace over the equivalent amount of full-primmed land. Or... maybe I'm over-constraining the definition of "Estate": can a single owner define multiple Estates, such that a single OpenSpace can be the totality of one Estate, yet still meet the ownership requirements (at least one full-primmed sim) across multiple Estates owned by the same person? (The hoops we'd jump through to get access to those top scripts statistics!) |
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Lord Sullivan
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09-08-2008 03:35
From: Jackson Rickenbacker Right during the changeover of people handling the finances for sim transfer themselves and LL taking care of it, I bought a sim from someone, and there was some confusion about if the sim was paid for, I dont think every case of outsider transactions is fraud, but I do think that the moneys should be handled 100% by LL I have just transfered a sim to my name and after both of us submitting tickets to LL and them checking all was correct, they then take the sale price from my LL account then pay it to the sellers account, so all the money side is now handled by LL so almost no chance of any fraud. A very good move on LL behalf 
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-08-2008 03:42
From: Qie Niangao Per sim, or across the whole Estate? That is, if there's some "Sim Manager" that doesn't have control over the whole Estate, then I can *really* see the appeal of an OpenSpace over the equivalent amount of full-primmed land.
Or... maybe I'm over-constraining the definition of "Estate": can a single owner define multiple Estates, such that a single OpenSpace can be the totality of one Estate, yet still meet the ownership requirements (at least one full-primmed sim) across multiple Estates owned by the same person?
(The hoops we'd jump through to get access to those top scripts statistics!) yep each island can be order under it`s own estate best is to ask the owner to be 100% sure tho so you don`t accidentally mess with another sim and if they aren`t sure, change day time and hop around as it`s changedon other sims aswell renting a void from Sensual and haven`t heard anything about messing with other sims yet debugging access, can`t live without it =) |
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Abigail Merlin
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09-08-2008 04:03
From: Qie Niangao As a strictly Mainland geek, there's something I've never known: aside from the ability to "resell" through the land tools (if granted by the Estate owner), what other features are available to the Estate parcel owner that cannot be provided to a renter with the right set of group permissions?
Can the Estate owner give parcel owners access to some of the Estate Tools? Like, especially, the ability to see top scripts or any other Estate-only performance tools? (If so, I may have to sell up some Mainland and rent myself an OpenSpace!)
What else are my renters missing out on? One thing you missed with estate renting/leasing over mainland renting is that the resident can deed the land to their own group alowing them to give their friends some rights to the land like setting the media or radio stream. actualy having the parcel in your name also prevents conflicts with over using the prim limits and accidently returning things from another renters parcel. And yes like others said, most estate owners that rent/lease openspace sims will give you estate manager rights, I do this myself too, every sim I rent or lease out will have it's own estate and the resident can have as many estate managers as he wants (upto the limit SL puts on it) |
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Qie Niangao
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09-08-2008 04:40
From: Alicia Sautereau each island can be order under it`s own estate Oh, wow! That's *very* interesting to me as a scripter--and somehow I missed it, longing as I was for the ability to outright buy an OpenSpace from LL. Perhaps ironically, the more under-powered the sim, the better for my testing, so a standalone OpenSpace Estate would be ideal. (Crap. Now wtf do I do with all this Mainland I've rented out?  ) From: Abigail Merlin One thing you missed with estate renting/leasing over mainland renting is that the resident can deed the land to their own group alowing them to give their friends some rights to the land like setting the media or radio stream.
actualy having the parcel in your name also prevents conflicts with over using the prim limits and accidently returning things from another renters parcel. Well, that's kinda why I asked: for almost all my renters, I create a separate group anyway, and give them roles that include power to invite, to set parcel media and audio, and almost all abilities short of reselling. By having their parcel in its own group, they get the per-parcel prim control, too. (It took me a while to figure out that this was the way to go. Unfortunately, the 25 group limit really bites hard: I only recently discovered what happens to tier contributed to a group of which one is no longer a member. I was wondering why I could keep buying so much land! ) |
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Alicia Sautereau
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09-08-2008 04:50
you can allways keep the mainland and expand on the void while using it as a testing ground for scripts that if use the resources you desired, could be moved to the mainland
i just advice you not to place to many rentals there and inform people that it is a void and set a max script run time limit for items to be returned (say 0.500ms or something)
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