Accessing Closed Auction Info

Anyone know how to see final bids of auctions already closed and/or the bidding history and the names of the bidders? Can't see to find in on the current crappy auction system.

If you put the auctions on your Watch List, you can see the final bid after it closes.

Nina was bought by a Holy Saltwater for US$2101
8.5 per metres before exchange fees

I went there at the close because there was a cluster of avatars on the map.

Photos for posterity!
A certain Um** H*** was there. I suggested cutting it into 4096s just to give U a heart attack.

Thanks. Can you also see the other bidders who lost if you had it on your watch list?

Nope! You have to go to the land and listen to them complaining about dropping out at US$x


I only know the name of the winner because he turned up, and asserted that he had won.
He's waiting for the Gov to hand it over.

And U.M. is a waiting impatiently. "This is good land" U.M. says.. over and over

Waiting to shit all over it... grrr.

The system is so messed up. All LL truly cares about is making a buck. They are as bad as Haxx and the other adcutters.

According to what I've been led to understand, when you want to know something which consists of items in succession, just ask in this forum and you will be given a list.

Could you clarify this response? I don't understand what you are saying.

To be fair to LL, at Robin's recent meetings she's been talking about zoned mainland, it makes me a little jumpy but you can't have it all ways, you can't want the beauty of the wild west nature of mainland and then complain about ad farms.

Sure I can!

Ad farms (and really, by that, I mean small parcel extortionists) are the SL equivalent of web domain squatters. It took time to adjust that system to enforce fair play, and now we are that point in SL. Of course, the solutions are flying around, but eventually the powers that be will figure things out. There is no reason to think that the solution has to be one that makes any judgement on the -content- of the parcel. That is an icky direction no one wants to go, least of all Sheriff Linden and his deputies - who would have to round up all those outlaws. The bad guys in the Wild West had money as a motivation, without the temptation of a quick buck, they ride off into another town and leave things here in SL a bit like Little House on the Prairie instead.

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Limit maximum sale price based on land parcel size, to combat ad farms
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-894

When I was present at that merry gathering at Nina sim last (my) night, I suggested 4096 parcels to the owner - just to annoy U.H. who was standing there champing at the bit.
This morning - the sim is cut into 4096 parcels - at L$43008 each.

That didn't stop U.M.
He appears to have bought at least two of them.
It's easy to see where they are - not because of the trademark awfulness, but because of the tower blocks that enclose them.
The towers are not so bad really - apart from a need to get the footprint minimised and the corners textured exactly. Ground level is 110m-ish, so the low cloud cover removes what might have been "too much impact".

Speaking of adcutters, I noticed in the for sale listings that there are now cheap 16 sq.m. lots available in both the Nina and Nizells sims. The first two whole sims that LL auctions off in ages, and it takes less than a day for them to go to sh!t with the 16 sq.m. ad lots. I'm sure they'll be purchased by the adfarmers and covered in porn momentarily.

When will these dumb-ass shops start realizing that they are not doing themselves any good by associating with these ad 'networks' and stop giving them money?

Oops, rhetorical question. I think the answer is never, because there are new suckers born every day.

Ciaran, there is no reason that zoning has to apply to ALL mainland, or any existing mainland. Just as there are PG and Mature sims, there could be zoned mainland and non-zoned.

That way, the "give me liberty or give me death crowd" can have their wild west, and the rest of us can give up a small amount of liberty that we would never exercise anyway, and live SL without the extortion.

I am really pissed. I mean, I hate to sound like the codger in his rocker, but something has to be done, and there outta be a law!

Does LL even realize how many people have given up on buying land at all? I can't in a million years believe that they are taking in more tier from Um*** Hax and his ilk than they would from "real" landowners who just want to have a happy Second Life. Mainland would become the hottest thing since Windlight if it became impossible to intentionally ruin it with ad plots.



I agree, Puppet. And does anyone notice that much of the mainland that has turned into shit is nothing BUT shit? So, .... it really begs the question, who do the ad-farmers in these areas think they are advertising to and extorting? Each other?

Meanwhile in Nina, the asking price for the 4096s has dropped to L$38,093 (from 10.5 to 9.3 per metre)
The only first level buyers were the ad farmers - who I think must have bought at the higher price.
Nothing else has sold there yet.
- Apart from U.H. seeming to have sold off (at least) three 512s for L$4300 ( 8.4/metre). The U.M. and the price are still in the land descriptions.

Well, that's a tiny bit of nice! - U.H. buying at 10.5 and selling at 8.4
What a pity that the amounts involved are only peanuts.

Right now Nina is worth a visit just to see how a brand new virgin sim has been raped and destroyed by ad farmers. Their contribution to SL is to create ugliness and devalue everybody else's experience.

If I was a newbie reading this thread I would think "Why would I ever pay for a premium membership and live on the ugly mainland when I can have an SL home on a gorgeous estate free from ad farms?"

And LL wonders why they can't get their premium numbers up...

I'm going to do everything in my power to sell Liome to an end user who would keep it whole. An ad farm on that sim would break my heart.

Yes, but let's not forget that any newbie reading this might also see the semi-weekly "I got swindled by an estate owner" thread too.

I think it's important to voice our disgust to LL about what happened at Nina. This is where they advertise you can "build your dream home?" Dream home my ass!!!

I haven't gotten one of those "better or worse" surveys in a long time -- they never come along when you need them.

True, although I sure hope it *will* apply to existing mainland, if it ever happens. Otherwise every parcel I currently own will be worth less than the trouble it would take to press the Abandon button. Just look at the price differential between existing Linden-zoned sims and their neighbors--and that's with the neighboring sims' unzoned mess in full view. And then imagine the prospect of whole zoned Mainland continents. Any pre-existing mainland within two sims of an adfarm wouldn't be worth carrying tier on: you couldn't *give* it away.

As far as I'm concerned, there's a perfectly good option for the "give me liberty or give me death" crowd: they can buy a damned island and STFU already.

Seriously, there's just nothing LL could do that would create more in-world wealth in a single stroke than to declare adfarms an enforceable violation of CS6 and be done with it.

Well at least people like you prove there is an exception to every rule. Your mainland rental sims are amazing and beautiful.

There have been threads recently regarding Linden Lab's long term viability and what would happen if an upstart came along. Most of it revolved around stability versus service. But can you imagine what would happen if an upstart showed up that resolved the issue of ad farms and evil land barons? Goodbye SL

According to A. S.'s "ad impressions" explanation in an earlier thread, they count everyone who comes within 20-40 meters of the ad as their audience.

I've noticed that sex clubs and freebie shops tend to spring up frequently around ad areas. Casinos too, when they were legal. Basically, places for noobs with no money.

For the fun of it, I took some pictures of some adlots and their advertisements and posted them in photobucket so folks can see for themselves the businesses that advertise with these networks if they wish to avoid doing business with them. I was surprised to see a couple of 'reputable' businesses are advertising this way. Too bad, really.

It's in my sig, but for those who want to check it out and don't have sigs turned on, the URL is: http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg128/Puppet_Shepherd/Ad%20Pollution%20Name%20and%20Shame/

Well I'm jumpy at the idea of having existing mainland zoned but I have no problem with zoned mainland appearing as new land and I think it would be extremely popular and anything that stops that f*cking ad farmer with his spinning bloody yellow faces destroying the landscape has to be good.

Here's a pic of Mr. Hax proudly floating in front of one of his signs in the brand new Nina sim: http://s247.photobucket.com/albums/gg128/Puppet_Shepherd/Ad%20Pollution%20Name%20and%20Shame/?action=view&current=UmnikHax_Nina1.jpg

It appears that someone has boxed in his adfarm with a wall of upside-down pigs, and this appears in the pic.

Gawd, is that guy everyones neighbor. I thought I was the only one to be that priviledged.

What happened in Nina and the sim on its East was interesting.
The sims were cut into 4096s.
U.H. bought a 4096 in both sims.
Having cut his little cowpat of 16s out of that, he had to try to sell off most of the 4096 - at a loss.

The walls do more than just hide his spinners.
The walls enclose the entire 4096! They are *tall*.
This makes the 512s very unattractive and claustrophobic for buyers other than other ad farmers who presumably intend to wait for a day that the walls go away.

The 4096 cuts increased his costs.
They eat his tier and force him to sell off most of what he buys - and at a loss if he's in a hurry to reduce his tier. He apparently was, and did sell at a loss.
The walls enclosing the *entire* 4096 increase his difficulty in selling off the excess land.

This is quite neat.


In time, without some sort of covenanting, some 512s would have appeared out of the 4096s due to activities other than ad farming. The farmers would have moved on those.

Still, it's kinda nice to think of U.H. being incommoded.
A minor skirmish hurt him a bit. The war is far from over.