If there was a graphicless client produced by LL, would that affect your use of these forums?
Would an LL produced graphicless SL client be usable at workplaces where a graphical SL viewer is not?
If the graphicless viewer had voice chat, would you use the voice chat feature? Does a voice and text SL client make any sense?
I read somewhere that LL is working on a no-graphics client. I can't recall if what at a trustworthy source or not.
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02-03-2008 14:23
I've been using Katharine Berry's Ajaxlife, which is non-graphics SL. I use it only for being connected during the day to my staff and business connections. It doesn't decrease my use of the forum nor increase it, nor does it modify my LL SL client experience in my off-work hours.
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Chip Midnight
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02-03-2008 14:24
All I want is an offline IM client that looks and works like AIM or Messenger. It should show me my SL contacts list and allow me to set my visibility on a person by person basis. Then I could stop cluttering my email inbox with hundreds of emails (mostly from vendors) and allow me to answer questions and take care of quick customer service things without having to go in world. I've heard such a thing is in the works, but I take such things with a giant block of salt. Remember the SL mobile initiative? Virtual puppeteering? Avatar layers? SpeedTree? I'm not holding my breath.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-03-2008 14:28
Well possibly making a worthwhile non-graphics client is easier than those other things and thus more likely to be done.
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Casper Priestman
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02-03-2008 16:06
take a look at SLeek a non graphics client that takes up about 1mb. I use it for answering questions on products my alt has made and sells. Sounds like it has the features you require.
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Angelique LaFollette
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02-03-2008 20:22
If there was a graphicless client produced by LL, would that affect your use of these forums? Would an LL produced graphicless SL client be usable at workplaces where a graphical SL viewer is not? If the graphicless viewer had voice chat, would you use the voice chat feature? Does a voice and text SL client make any sense? I read somewhere that LL is working on a no-graphics client. I can't recall if what at a trustworthy source or not. Wouldn't a Graphicless LL client would be called a Chat Room? I think LL would probably consider it the same Day the Ford Motor Company takes a quantem leap forward By producing Horse Drawn Coaches. Angel |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-03-2008 20:38
I found a source:
http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205918468&pgno=2&queryText= Linden Lab is working on a new lightweight Second Life client that would be used only for text chat, instant messaging, and voice communications. Miller said he expects the client, which will run on Windows and the Mac, to be available in beta in February. "Miller" means Joe Miller, VP Platform & Technology Development of Linden Lab _____________________
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Felix Oxide
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02-03-2008 20:42
I thought that was what these forums were used for.
Anyway I did read a thread somewhere here about a desktop messenger for SL. That would come in handy. |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-03-2008 20:54
I thought that was what these forums were used for. The forums don't connect with inworld chat, don't work in realtime, and don't allow voice chat. _____________________
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Day Oh
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02-03-2008 20:59
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Viewer_App_Cleanup#Lightweight_Client
I don't know why they would do it, seeing as how it's already been done (SLeek, which is excellent) Random snippet from sldev: Most countries have legislation which creates an obligation to service providers that their service be accessible to disabled users. If a company can be sued for having an inaccessible website, this might put them off using SL due to the lack of (perceived or actual) accessibility. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-03-2008 21:07
Sleek doesn't do voice chat.
When Delta gets busy, SLeek development stops. SLeek is not done by Linden Lab, while one done by LL is, thus it would be kept up to date by Linden Lab, and not involve putting your password into non-LL software. Communicating with text and voice is useful, that's why LL would make it, same reason people make telephones and IM software. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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02-03-2008 21:42
Nothing against open source clients, but I'll only enter my user name and password (and thus access to my L$ balance) into a client released by LL.
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3Ring Binder
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02-03-2008 21:46
so basically, you are wanting a visualess chat room produced and hosted by LL? like YIM or ICQ, but a LL based operation?
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Chip Midnight
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02-03-2008 22:02
so basically, you are wanting a visualess chat room produced and hosted by LL? like YIM or ICQ, but a LL based operation? I want in world IM functionality available off world, and it would be even better if it facilitated L$ transfer. If I need to give someone a refund it would be nice to be able to do it right away and not have to make them wait for 8-12 hours until I can actually get in world in avatar form. And it would be nice to be able to stay in contact with people who are in world when I can't be without them having to pay attention to SL and an outside IM client at the same time. _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
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02-04-2008 06:33
Linden Lab is working on a new lightweight Second Life client that would be used only for text chat, instant messaging, and voice communications. Miller said he expects the client, which will run on Windows and the Mac, to be available in beta in February. If I want to text chat with an SL friend, I'll do it with AIM or ICQ. I'm even less interested in Voice in an environment like that than I would be in the main client. The only value I could see in this would be to keep up with in-world IM's while busy elsewhere. But I doubt I would bother with that. _____________________
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02-04-2008 07:11
The idea of a very slim-line in-world client with no graphical front-end would be very cool for me. I like to be able to stay in touch with my SL-colleagues and customers when I am not in a place with enough of a good internet connection to fire up the full client.
Only thing I would really like is for the Avie to be not standing there, looking normal (like it does in SLeek) because people assume you can see them, touch things, etc. Maybe it should change your avatar's appearance to something resembling a disembodied mouth, or just locate it off in the corner of a sim or something. i don't need a physical location - I need access to my L$ balance, rearrange my inventory, IMs and group messages/members. That would be very cool. _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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02-04-2008 07:16
I need access to my L$ balance, rearrange my inventory, IMs and group messages/members. if only LL wuold make these features available to be managed and added to/transferred to others through the website. maybe not the IM's, but the rest would be really swell. _____________________
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02-04-2008 07:52
I'm rather underwhelmed with the idea, myself. If I want to text chat with an SL friend, I'll do it with AIM or ICQ. I'm even less interested in Voice in an environment like that than I would be in the main client. The only value I could see in this would be to keep up with in-world IM's while busy elsewhere. But I doubt I would bother with that. I can see a value for some people, but I agree, it is something I would not have any use for. _____________________
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poopmaster Oh
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02-04-2008 11:12
Nothing against open source clients, but I'll only enter my user name and password (and thus access to my L$ balance) into a client released by LL. nothing against open source, but with open source you can see all the source and its fairly easy to see there is no way they can steal your credintials if you can read the source and compile it yourself so i too would never ever enter my user name and password into an open source program its just too safe |
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Anya Ristow
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02-04-2008 12:48
The need for a "light weight" client is over-rated. My own hacked client has a no-3D mode where all the windows, menus, IM, inventory, map, etc all work but no 3D objects are drawn. In terms of processing power it's quite light-weight. Start up the client without quicktime or voice (these are command-line arguments) and the memory usage is (last I checked) about 57M. If you have 2G memory that's about 3% of your memory. For comparison, if you have iTunes installed on your PC is runs three or four processes whether you're using iTunes or not that amount to about 40M. iTunes itself is another 48M.
The beauty of running the full client is that if I need to I can turn 3D drawing back on, do what needs to be done and turn it off again. And everything else--maps, inventory, search, etc--all work, even in no-3D mode. |
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Anya Ristow
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02-04-2008 12:53
nothing against open source, but with open source you can see all the source and its fairly easy to see there is no way they can steal your credintials That's not really true. The SL viewer is a large program and the login process is quite involved. Lots of places to hide some innocent-looking code, and C is a great language for doing evil things in plain sight. |
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Chip Midnight
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02-04-2008 14:00
nothing against open source, but with open source you can see all the source and its fairly easy to see there is no way they can steal your credintials if you can read the source and compile it yourself so i too would never ever enter my user name and password into an open source program its just too safe That's nice, if you happen to be a programmer who can read C. To the average person the source code is meaningless gibberish. Like I said, nothing against open source. I'd be more willing to use an OS client with an alt, but with a primary account that runs a profitable business it just introduces an unnecessary level of risk. _____________________
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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02-04-2008 14:09
Presumably the lightweight client will run on systems that couldn't support SL, so you could check in when you're away from home, or contact someone from your handheld PC.
Plus one should be able to be logged in with the regular viewer on one account and log in to the lightweight viewer with another account. I hope they've gotten input from SL businessfolk like Chip. I wonder if Joe Miller reads email to [email]joe@lindenlab.com[/email]? _____________________
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Xio Jester
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02-04-2008 20:35
The need for a "light weight" client is over-rated. My own hacked client has a no-3D mode where all the windows, menus, IM, inventory, map, etc all work but no 3D objects are drawn. In terms of processing power it's quite light-weight. Start up the client without quicktime or voice (these are command-line arguments) and the memory usage is (last I checked) about 57M. If you have 2G memory that's about 3% of your memory. For comparison, if you have iTunes installed on your PC is runs three or four processes whether you're using iTunes or not that amount to about 40M. iTunes itself is another 48M. The beauty of running the full client is that if I need to I can turn 3D drawing back on, do what needs to be done and turn it off again. And everything else--maps, inventory, search, etc--all work, even in no-3D mode. This sounds cooler than SLeek to me, but maybe that just means I'm less of a nerd than I thought I was _____________________
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02-05-2008 06:47
Anyone know why when I teleport home in Sleek it has a different parcel name?
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