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Amity Slade
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10-12-2009 20:57
From: Mournblade Magic

I am all for equality, I am all for gender neutral language, where negative connotations exist.
But I refuse to accept that this problem is wholly on the heads of men and their attitudes. Yes there are men who are bigots and worse, but there are also women that are happy with the inequalities the way they are.


I agree. I certainly didn't mean to insinuate that "men are oppressors." And while I wouldn't necessarily say that some women are happy with gender inequality, there are women who are certainly content with their own individual niches in the world and would rather not see them threatened by change in the status quo. Or, in some cases, they are just lazy.

Gender inequality, in a place like the United States, is in large part a societal problem with that doesn't exist so much because some group consciously and actively tries to enforce it. It gets reinforced by behavioral patterns ingrained in society and culture that are just simply hard to break.

But if you can see how it operates, and just make an effort to not contribute, you are being helpful when it comes to diminishing gender inequality. If you decide you are going to make an effort to use gender neutral language, then you are doing something in your power to break a pattern of gender inequality. And that's excellent.
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10-12-2009 22:53
From: Amity Slade
Identify them, instead of just dismissing them.

Edit: Actually, I don't care. I'm not here to win or show superiority to anyone or to trade barbs or anything like that. Discussion I like, but anything else, I really don't care.
Why should I be interested in wasting my time listing out a sequence of your inadequacies? It would just annoy you further even if you managed to comprehend and acknowledge your own deficiencies. Once your argument moves from a fact like "The moon rises in the East" to an unsubstantiated emotional opinion like "So I think it is made of green cheese" your credibility is shot, and you have done that in your last few posts.

Pep (I will leave it as an exercise for you and the other readers to identify these emotional non sequiturs of yours.)
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Esquievel Easterwood
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10-13-2009 20:01
From: Scylla Rhiadra
By which you are suggesting that all of these connotative meanings are invalid?
By which I'm suggesting that connotation is not reliable when clarity is important; base definitions are better.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
And I will again suggest that one of the unfortunate effects of this kind of "naive empiricism" is precisely that it can blind one to the existence of other kinds of truth than those accessible only through scientific measurement.
Objective truth in some realms may be so complex that humans may currently lack the capacity to understand it. That does not mean that objective truth does not exist, nor does that state of affairs grant validity to the notion that something useful can be gained by substituting subjective opinion. When one does not actually know something, it is always better simply to say "I don't know" than to indulge in speculative fantasy and demand that others partake of it with one.

Humans are imperfectible. Apprehending truth from an abundance of demonstrable facts is difficult enough. Apprehending truth without being tethered to demonstrable facts is an endeavor that is much less likely to produce success. It can be a way of operating within the world that has its own rewards, but it simply is not a path to truth; it is only a path to subjective opinion and emotion. Knowing where one's feelings and ideas come from is important because one needs to understand one's motivations. However, acting as though one's feelings and ideas actually have presence and relevance outside oneself is frequently disastrous. To live and work in the world, one must be guided by what is actually known to be out there in the world and available to all.

From: Scylla Rhiadra
BTW, I am sincerely puzzled as to how you find an ad hominem attack in this passage. Certainly none was intended, nor can I see how you can read one into a statement that, on a denotative level, merely suggests that "you are wrong if you think this . . ." Is it the reference to Cloudcuckooland that dismays you? That was nothing more than a (very) mildly clever allusion to Aristophanes' dystopic comedy The Birds, about the creation of an ultimately untenable "perfect" society. It seemed not inappropriate given your (I believe) naive belief that language can be nailed down and stabilized. It was certainly not designed to offend or to attack you personally, and I remain frankly at a loss as to why you should think that it was.
Yes, "cloud cukooland" set me off. And "naive" is another one. Surely you are not unaware of the universally recognized negative connotations of those terms?

I'm more of a Euripides guy than an Aristophanes guy.
richard Zhichao
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trashy
10-13-2009 21:23
i have pants that show my ass is this ok?
Tristin Mikazuki
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10-13-2009 21:59
I'll just go w/o clothes.. if anyone complains.. I'll fire them ;-)
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10-14-2009 04:46
From: richard Zhichao
i have pants that show my ass is this ok?


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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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10-14-2009 12:18
Linden Lab weighs in on the issue of "trashy avatars" and work related uses of Second Life in this latest blog posting:

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/workinginworld/blog/2009/10/14/the-time-for-work-avatars-has-arrived
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Milla Janick
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10-14-2009 12:21
From: richard Zhichao
i have pants that show my ass is this ok?

All of it?
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10-14-2009 12:24
From: Amanda Linden
Second Life was not designed as a work tool.
Thank you, Amanda, for recognizing that. Can we get back to Linden Lab being all about Second Life being Cool again?

Edit: oops, she was quoting some outside consultant.
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Joshooah Lovenkraft
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10-14-2009 12:26
From: Argent Stonecutter
Thank you, Amanda, for recognizing that. Can we get back to Linden Lab being all about Second Life being Cool again?

Edit: oops, she was quoting some outside consultant.


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Lindal Kidd
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10-14-2009 12:42
I think I will use my Giant Panda avatar for work purposes. It's very professional...all black and white. Very corporate and businesslike.

/me eats, shoots and leaves.
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10-14-2009 12:44
From: Lindal Kidd
I think I will use my Giant Panda avatar for work purposes. It's very professional...all black and white. Very corporate and businesslike.

/me eats, shoots and leaves.
Panda ferret:
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10-14-2009 18:16
From: Lindal Kidd
I think I will use my Giant Panda avatar for work purposes. It's very professional...all black and white. Very corporate and businesslike.

/me eats, shoots and leaves.


We have a variation of that in Australia called Wombats

Eats roots & leaves :)
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