Warning about purchasing private land

Waaiiit, math says that either B is a bad manager or A is price gouging. Won't know which is true without a C or D to compare the prices against.

Lets say the price from both A and B is $3. A is offering 20 apples for $3, while B is offering 50 for $3. B is offering MORE apples for $3 than A.

B couldn't be price gouging, since he's selling LOWER than what might be the acceptable price. A would be the one likely price gouging by charging the same price for less apples than B. But as I said, without a C or D, one wouldn't know which is true.

Of course, as Snowflake said, this also doesn't take into consideration things like brand, support and reputation. Honestly, if B's apples were mostly rotten and A's were in great condition, I'd pay more for A's.

Okay I don't see where the "gouging" is coming from

If we assume that 1 usd = 265L

Then an open sim costs the buyer 250USD or 66,250L (soon to be 375USD or 99,375L)
Monthly Tier costs the owner 75USD or 19.875L (soon to be 125USD or 33,125L)

Sounds like the person you are talking about is asking a perfectly legitimate price to me.

If I were selling OS sims I'd charge the full purchase price upfront and then pad the tier a little to make it worth my time, that way if the renter defaults I would be out nothing, just let the OS sim go away.

But what do I know....

Handy Skytower

Well you can kiss that good deal goodbye..you will be back to where you started from..your current estate manager will notify you about your new tier coming up..OR, they will just pack up and leave. so Now you'll be out 25k plus 25k tier which in my mind will be the case, Also please read everyones reply to this silly thread you made up..seems they don't understand your logic. good luck

You have a point.

Yup. And when someone finds out that generic ASA is exactly the same as Bayer aspirin only less expensive, and they let others know about it, they are called whiners. Personally, I don't care. I've been called worse.
Anyway, I am sure that if I was making a fair bit of cash over and above others in the biz charging more reasonably, I would be coming up with all kinds of justification for charging extra, too. I am sure that Shell, Exxon, etc. have perfectly reasonable sounding excuses for gouging people, too, like shortage, market fluctuations, etc. However there is no more shortage of oil in North America than there is water.
Anyway, it is a moot subject now as a lot of people just won't be wanting to afford more than they are paying with this new idiotic 67% price hike by Larcenous Labs. If people want to stay and pay, fine. They know what they are getting into. The rest of us won't.

Yup. I was perfectly willing to pay $75, but $125 isn't in my "fun" budget so as far as I am concerned, Larcenous Labs can kiss my cute lil butt. As I said in the blog thread, I can read more and go skiing for less than what they want and still have money left over so I'll be ahead and they will have priced themselves out of my business just like BFR.

Ok, as I said in a previous post, I found 4 or 5 realtors that charge $25K to $35K up front plus $25K for tier fees. I also had a conversation with a rep from BFR about a sim that they had just scooped back because someone refused to pay the tier. The rep said that the sim would be "on sale" for half the regular price. The rep said $30K. So if $30 K is half the regular price they charge, then they normally charge $60. See? The rep also said that the tier fees would be 3600 Linden over what the other 4 or 5 realtors charged. One realtor out of 5 or 6 that charges a noticeably large amount over the others is either doing some bad managing or some gouging. And you people don't see the logic I used to conclude that? How sad.

Sorry, bigmouth, your mind and its case are out to lunch. I haven't bought a sim and I have no intentions on it now, so if you can figure that out, I won't be losing a nickel.

I am damned sure that people see the logic, BUT they sound like fellow realtors and are simply trying to justify the exorbitant rates. It's not like they have an unbiased view, is it?

As I said, most of the realtors I asked about sims gave me a much lower price and a lower tier fee than you and have also been in the biz for a while.

<Edited out the chatlog between me and your employee. Apparently it is frowned upon here. Linden seems to get a bit distraught about their favorites being criticized with evidence>

As I said if most people are charging quite a bit less than you, the only reasons why are that they aren't gouging or they are better at business management than you. But as you had been gloating in our inworld conversation, you said you have 400 residents and are quite happy with what you are raking in.

That reminds me that I think you'd probably do a lot better if you weren't so arrogant to your customers and be like your wife who is a lot easier to chat with. Just a bit of advice. I know that being nice is much better to present to a customer than arrogance. I have a retail business irl.

No, I didn't see the logic in that one example you used. You said B either a poor manager or engaged in price gouging. A would be the one engaged in price gouging, because he is charging more per apple than B is. Nothing that I said was actually concerning the topic as such. I was just pointing out that error of logic in the post I quoted.

Frankly, the only reason this concerns me is because I sometimes warn people away from estates that have poor reputations. I am not a renter and would prefer to not be. LL gets enough of my money as it is

Also, you may want to remove the chat log from the post before this one. Even edited out, LL tends to frown upon having them posted here.

So I mixed em up. I even make typos, too.
At any rate, my point is that I found several that are more reasonable priced than BFR and that people should shop around and do some research before getting sucked in. Yeah it's tough to figure out the logic there alright.
I edited out the chatlog. When I posted it, I almost posted the chatlog of the IM I had with foul Breeze to show how arrogant he really is. Believe me, his wife is a sweetie. He could take lessons from her.

Annalise. I've just read this thread and, from my unbiased perspective, you are the only bigmouth in it. Trust me - you are the one who is being seen in a bad light - not anyone else in the thread.

You don't seem to grasp what people are telling you here. Of course you can find cheaper alternatives - that's almost always the case. But you are only judging by price, and you need to take other things into account. Read Desmond's last post again and see if you can understand about the 19 year old. He makes a lot of sense with that. In plain english, you can find cheaper deals if you don't mind risking the sim disappearing tomorrow, along with your money.

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If you want any evidence of that risk, go and read the official openspace sims thread. You'll find people there who say their rental businesses will be killed off by the price hike. Maybe they are not 19 year olds, but it does make the point quite well.

Yes, a lot of people here don't like me and I don't care. They are only trying to justify greed. Same as Linden.
And yet again, when I find companies that have been in business selling OS for a long time with better rates than one greedy company, I will continue to let people know about it; especially when the greedy owner is arrogant. The petty little man even flaunted that he was making gobs of dough.

See, foul Breeze's wife probably would have explained things to me rather than bragging about how much money she was raking in and things would have been fine. But foul Breeze was arrogant so I will let everyone know. If you like arrogance rather than civility, that's your problem, not mine.

So, you can tell me I am crazy all you want but it won't do any good.
I have stated my opinion and if no-one likes it, too bad, so sad. My advice still stands; buyer beware. That's my last word here. Still going to be spreading it elsewhere, though.

As for what Linden is doing, they won't be getting my money, nor will anyone be selling me OS. If their intent was to piss everyone off and get lots to leave, it seems to be working.

This thread might have been a good bit of advice if it hadn't been taken to such a childish (and flame bait) level. Really, if no names had been named, if the name calling on the part of the OP had not started, this would actually be a great thread, given the responses of the other posters.

Desmond, thank you for the very enlightened post. I've learned a lot from it, some of which I feel can be applied to shop owners as well. I also learned something that I can pass on to new users looking to rent on estates. Maybe future users won't have a hard time understanding the math behind the pricing system of estate owners.

And honestly, comparing estate rentals to something like toothpaste or apples? That's actually rather silly, because with the actual objects, if the company decides to go poof, then you'll still have your item you purchased. With estate land, if the owner leaves, the land goes poof and so does your money.

I'd rather pay more for an established, reputable, estate owner. I wouldn't consider it price gouging. Actually, a higher price has another side effect. It weeds out the tenets likeliest to not pay, because they won't be willing to pay higher fees, regardless.

I really hate to continue on this silly little thread posted, but you really leave me no other choice I will continue to stand up for my company for its been EST since 2005, And Annalise, please understand why alot of people here don't like you..its not only that the one arrogance person here is you..but now at this point you are begining to be annoying. this is my reply back to you..

I’m usually pretty intelligent and can pick up on dumb typos but what is this? “Sorry, bigmouth, your mind and its case are out to lunch” Not sure what this means perhaps I should use the same type of drugs you’re using in order to understand it. In any event Lets look at the facts:



Fact: You come out here and post about gouging from my business and everyone on this ridiculous thread are trying to understand the logic behind it (you have none)

Fact: You have no clue about open space sims and how the pricing policy works (As you never owned one with me or anyone else as you indicated that you would pay 75 usd a month but not 125 without knowing that in order to qualify for one you would have to have a full sim I guess that’s news flash for you)

Fact: you stated that I am arrogant to my customers (If that’s the case, perhaps I should keep that up being in business since 2005 and doing well)

Fact: you also stated that folks on this thread are fellow realtors and simply trying to justify the exorbitant rates. (How dumb does that sound if they are my competitors, I think they would agree with you even if you are wrong which in this case we all know you are

Fact: You are just an uptight resident who didn’t have it her way and are posting to make yourself feel better and have others agree with you, but the way I see it, you should focus on the others that are simply trying to understand your ridiculous logic about my business.





You mentioned that you have a retail business irl? I hope someone else is doing the figures for you,

If anyone here has any doubts about my Real Estate business. Please visit my Head Quarters I'd be very happy to show you around and introduce to you some of my residents, Again, I am not bragging just simply standing up for my business, We've been around since 2005, I have three employees who can also be more than happy to explain to you about our price models

To All Established Reality,

Again, I'm pretty sure you've experience issues like this in the past where an unhappy resident tries to take matters on their own hands and try to put your business down by posting inconsistent comments about your business, I do want to thank you all for at least trying to understand the logic to this thread. I hope we can continue to do business now with the new policy LL has set fourth.

Everyone have a great holiday weekend. You too analise, ooops I meant AnnaLise