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WOW! Stealth MODE has come to SL!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesse Barnett
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11-22-2006 20:58
** Set permissions for your friends to see you online/on the map
** New option in Preferences to set whether you show as online in Search

EDIT: Christmas has come early!!!
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11-22-2006 22:10
Finally my friends can't disturb me when I'm... *blushes* errr ... when I have to work.
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Jesse Barnett
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11-22-2006 22:27
ah it gets better. You can choose which freinds see you online and mapping is off by default. It is now an option and you can also select which freinds map you.

I posted the release notes and Milo stickied them up top
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11-23-2006 04:11
*giggles* its just a cunning ploy to hide the broken friends list

Me: All my friends are offline !!
Live Help : heh - maybe they just dont like you
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11-24-2006 10:57
From: Jesse Barnett
ah it gets better. You can choose which freinds see you online and mapping is off by default. It is now an option and you can also select which freinds map you.
I don't like that. It really should be all-or-nothing.

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* Updated Friends UI
** Set permissions for your friends to see you online/on the map
* New Privacy feature
** New option in Preferences to set whether you show as online in Search
I would much rather simply have you either be "online" in the search/message/map sense, or "offline".

Ideal situation:

If you're "online", then it's like it is now. If you're "offline", you're in world but you can't be searched *anywhere* and you appear as offline for IMs and everything else.

I hope I'm misunderstanding.
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11-24-2006 11:08
Personally I love it. You may want to just show as visible to a couple of scripting freinds for example. Also the way it is setup, you can select all of your freinds at one time and turn off or on options.

Come on in to Beta and give it a try. It is easier to see then explain. There is one part that has a bug right now. If you select that you do not want to show that you are online in "find" then you do not show up AT ALL.

Sometime today or later this weekend I will post the notes and then go down the list marking what is working and what is bugged..
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11-24-2006 13:33
It's not the user interface that bothers me, it's the functionality.

I would much rather there was a single universal "I'm online" and "I'm offline" switch that covered it all together. I don't like the social implications in this kind of fine-grained setup.
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11-24-2006 14:38
You are the first person that has really commented on this part of it. A discussion of the far reaching social impact was what I expected when I annonced it in "Resident Answers". I had feature requested these capabilities a couple of times in forums and to freinds. But I was also aware that it would change things for both good and bad. I know for a fact that some of my partnered freinds will take advantage of this or thier partner will. But then again, it does make it more like real life.

My family can't see that I am just ignoring thier phone calls. No one can see that I am not home because I am the green blip down at the 7-11. My partner in RL can not see that I am not at Walmart, but am actually at his best freinds house.(Does not happen, just an example).

I do want this exactly like it is being tested but agree with your concerns. SL will never be the same. I don't pixel slap or anything and I don't mind people knowing where I am at most of the time. But I am still learning scripting and sometimes struggle with a problem. At times like that I have had an IM break my train of thought and it took a while to regain it. I have also had freinds that get kind of peeved that I stay in Busy Mode so much, like I don't like them anymore or something. I LOVE my freinds but I welcome this change and will use it.
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11-24-2006 16:11
I think you misunderstand me. I do want an "offline" mode, for all the reasons you list, I just don't think it's a good idea for it to be selective... so that you're online and IMable and mappable for some friends but not others. We don't need "not really a friend" anyway, we already have "exchange cards" for that.

From: Jesse Barnett
But then again, it does make it more like real life.

My family can't see that I am just ignoring thier phone calls.
In real life, nobody can tell if you're just ignoring your phone calls. In real life, you're universally in "offline mode", even if you carry a cellphone. Nobody knows if you're ignorng your phone or you just left it at home. It's only in instant message systems that there's any expectation that people can tell if you're "really there" or not. And if you're "offline" you're offline to everyone.

That's what I want "offline" mode to be like... if you're "offline", you're offline for everyone. If you're not offline, you're online.

The social impact of being able to be "selectively" offline is interesting, but I think SL has enough "interesting" social experiments going on at the moment, we don't need to toss more in the pot.
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11-24-2006 16:49
We already have 3 levels: have exchanged cards, on friends list and have modify rights.

I don't see a problem with more. Particularly when many on the friends list aren't social friends, maybe they are business contacts or whatever.
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11-25-2006 10:05
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We already have 3 levels: have exchanged cards, on friends list and have modify rights.
In the context of the instant message system, we have two.

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Particularly when many on the friends list aren't social friends, maybe they are business contacts or whatever.
If they're business contects, why did you put them on the "friends" list instead of exchanging cards?
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11-25-2006 12:16
From: Argent Stonecutter
If they're business contects, why did you put them on the "friends" list instead of exchanging cards?
Because I want to be able to look at my friends list and see if they are online. Or I want to see where they are on the map, or very often, because they friend me for presumably the same reasons as I do and I'm certainly not going to refuse their friend request.

Just because it is called a "friends list" doesn't mean I have to use it for only personal friends.
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11-25-2006 16:00
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Because I want to be able to look at my friends list and see if they are online. Or I want to see where they are on the map, or very often, because they friend me for presumably the same reasons as I do and I'm certainly not going to refuse their friend request.
Er, OK, but then I'm missing something.

If you want them to be able to map you (and vice versa) then you don't need this new "level" of friend, right? What I'm getting at is that this seems to be splitting "friend" up into "friends" and "the people you would trade cards with except they put that on a second level meny so nobody bothers doing it".
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11-25-2006 16:06
Ok, i fully understand people not being able to map you, thats all good, but the thing of being offline to people is a bit annoying, may as well not have a card at all for my friends? because i am feeling that way right now <.< ;D
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11-26-2006 01:55
Mapping is off by default ... meh, awesome! Of course nobody will bother to turn it on so I'll never know where my friends are anymore. I agree with Argent, the mapping switch should be global, not on avatar basis. And in current version, if you set yourself offline you disappear from Find completely instead of showing up as offline, which is hopefully a bug, not a feature.
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11-26-2006 02:14
From: Candide LeMay
in current version, if you set yourself offline you disappear from Find completely instead of showing up as offline, which is hopefully a bug, not a feature.


Actualy I hope its a feature as it adresses some of the concerns above. It efectivly says Im not off line just in ignore mode, try again later.
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11-26-2006 03:29
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Er, OK, but then I'm missing something.

If you want them to be able to map you (and vice versa) then you don't need this new "level" of friend, right? What I'm getting at is that this seems to be splitting "friend" up into "friends" and "the people you would trade cards with except they put that on a second level meny so nobody bothers doing it".
I don't personally need it, I said I don't see a problem with it. I might use it, I might not. Why allow me less control of my Second Life experience?
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11-26-2006 03:51
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Mapping is off by default ... meh, awesome! Of course nobody will bother to turn it on so I'll never know where my friends are anymore.


Yeah - mapping should be a global prefrence and ON by default
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11-26-2006 05:49
you bring up a few good points. why is it based on who has what rights, why not a mode to be offline or not beable to be mapped global...kind of like msn , where you can pretend to be offline and look at your emails, then log off without anyone Iming you :-) should work like that with second life
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11-26-2006 09:38
Actually people seem to be missing the point of beta. Beta is for finding bugs in implementations, not really whether we agree with an implementation. You could poll a lot of people and some would want simple on/off, while others would wnat more precise control. But that is not what beta is for. We need to see if it actually works. If it doesn't, then like when the LOD of cylinders changed, we show that it doesn't work and point out the problems that it would cause.

It doesn't matter if someone wants simple versus precise. What does matter is people coming to beta and actually trying it instead of just talking about it. I already found a big problem with it, proving that as it stands now the offline function is nearly worthless. SO I am bug reporting it so it can be fixed.
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11-26-2006 10:06
Just an observation on the RL/SL aspects of this function.

RL has call waiting, caller ID, voice mail, door locks, etc. to allow for varying degrees of access. If one carrys a cell phone, one CAN be contacted all the time, but one also can see who it is that is calling and let it roll over to voicemail. A walkie talkie function phone does not allow that option, and I'd say IM's as they stand are more like a walkie talkie.

The ability to filter out who gets through the screen is very handy. There are days when I just have the patience for a short list of folks, or need to have an uninterrupted meeting/conversation with someone or a few someones, this would be a great big help in that arena. Most of the time, however, I'm open to convo and such.

When building or designing, to be undisturbed would be a grand luxury. I look at it this way. I feel awful ignoring (unintentionally) someone that maps me and shows up un-announced when I'm working on stuff. I have had incidents w/folks getting upset (yes they chose to show up but we all know how that can go). This option would help reduce that unpleasantness. ALSO, when I'm working on stuff, sometimes I'm collaborating, and for that reason I need to be reachable by a select number of folks. This should be my option and right.

We get to choose whom we let into our living room as well as when & whose calls we pick up IRL, why not ISL?

Thank you for bug hunting it out for us all in Beta, btw!
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11-26-2006 10:44
Personally, I hope this feature is! present in any upcoming updates
& always felt mappable/visible is a relic bit of SL that needs to go.
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11-26-2006 19:19
Just a short comment on the social implications. Being "stealth" is already done in SL, but by using other accounts. If someone wants to cheat for example they just get a free account and do so. I doubt it will make much difference in the grand scheme of things. But it does make it easier for creators to "hide" when creating and don't' need a second account while doing so (which is a royal pain in the backside with permissions and everything ends up in the other accounts name).

Regardless I think that this will be a handy feature and I for one am looking forward to it. I also think that this should have been in place back when SL was being set up. Every IM client around has some sort of "hide" or "invisible" mode. But I also have a nasty suspicion that the Friends list is going to be broken just like the last time something was added to it (like making online friends appear at the top of your list).

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11-27-2006 08:40
There are some people that I have on my FL who will pop in on me while I'm trying to build. It ruins my groove.

Why are they on my FL when they're rude?

...I know them in meatspace.

This puts a serious crimp in deleting them, as I might get an irate knock on the door.

This? This is great.
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11-27-2006 08:46
Mapping is off by default?

I'm glad you mentioned this, because otherwise many of us would never even know, if it's like the other stuff in SL, like ban lines on by accident.

When this comes to the main grid, if I appear to be offline, I would like everyone to understand that it IS because I am offline, not because I'm avoiding people, or worse, avoiding you specifically.

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