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Theodore Polonsky
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Join date: 1 Oct 2005
Posts: 57
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08-21-2006 07:29
From: Jules Cerveau I'm partial to slsf.info myself. The shorter the URL, the better. Not always. I still feel that a .com/.org (depending on commercial status) with a reasonable length and no dashes is the best choice. I always avoid .net unless I am putting up an infrastructure or backend network. I'm still wary of .info, just because it is still new and many people don't "get it" yet. I've seen people tack on www. before proper subdomains, and I bet there are people taking .com onto the end of .info sites. If I were advising SLSF as a client, I'd strongly push towards slsailing.org. So, my free advice is the same as if I was charging for it.  ... Unless .sf was a valid TLD, and we could go all web 2.0 and be sl.sf. I do like fs.ls, but worry people will think it's a joke URL and not click it. It looks like something from a documentation example.
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Myrrh Massiel
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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08-21-2006 10:46
/me thinks fs.ls was a joke. But all suggestions went into the poll, regardless.
I personally feel the same way about .com/.org/.net/.gov/.edu versus all the newer TLDs and obscure country codes, but I recognise that the 'net's constantly growing with more and more new folks who never experienced an era back when those five TLDs actually meant something. I suspect my perspective is an increasingly old-fogey bias from my shell account days, and amongst the newer batch of TLDs, .info reads as the most legitimate and well-suited to my eyes.
I prefer slsf.anything over most of the other choices, simply because it's a short, simple, direct mnemonic. The less straightforward it gets, the less likely a newcomer is to remember the URL and visit our site after stumbling across our activities in-world.
Especially since all the banners which might point to our URL will feature a prominent logo emblazoned SLSF for all to see.
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Espresso Saarinen
old geek
Join date: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 93
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08-21-2006 14:48
perhaps the domain name is not as important as the look and feel of the software, issues of access, moving of history, ...?
[email]espresso@bogus.com[/email]
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Myrrh Massiel
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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08-21-2006 17:15
Unquestionably. Good stuff to discuss at next weekend's meeting.
I've already backed up our legacy 'Sailboat Races' thread from the Event Discussion forum, and as soon as we're up-and-running with a 'board at our new URL, I plan to lock down this forum and do likewise. Translating all this history over to our new home might be a bit of project, but it's clear that we'll have no shortage of folks willing to help out.
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Suzanne Zeluco
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Join date: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 49
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08-22-2006 11:36
There are opensource scripts to import discussion threads from forum systems to other forum systems .. if the forums that are used are well known.
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Pacifien Massiel
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Join date: 25 Oct 2005
Posts: 118
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Select the SLSF domain name!
08-23-2006 22:18
Okay, I've submitted our top three(?!) proposals to an in-world vote. A 'Yes' vote supports slsailing.org; a 'No' vote supports slsail.net or slsf.info.
Yep, that's a two-way tie for second-place nomination. Hopefully it won't come to that, but if it does, the runoff might get tricky, since we can't throw out our first-place nomination on account of the second two choices double-teaming on the 'No' vote.
Let's see where things stand after the vote ends Sunday night. With any luck, there won't be an issue.
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Myrrh Massiel
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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Whoops!
08-23-2006 22:21
Okay, that was me, Myrrh, who just posted the blurb about our in-world vote under Pacifien's account. I guess that's what she gets for using my computer while I was at work and not logging out of the SL website afterwards? Drat, and here I forgot to drain her L$ account balance while I had the chance! I could use my moderator powers and delete her post, but I think it's more fun leaving it up there for all the world to mock my foolishness. Besides, her post count's looking pretty pitiful; she needs all the help she can get. 
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Svar Beckersted
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Join date: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 783
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08-23-2006 22:57
From: Myrrh Massiel Okay, that was me, Myrrh, who just posted the blurb about our in-world vote under Pacifien's account. I guess that's what she gets for using my computer while I was at work and not logging out of the SL website afterwards? Drat, and here I forgot to drain her L$ account balance while I had the chance! I could use my moderator powers and delete her post, but I think it's more fun leaving it up there for all the world to mock my foolishness. Besides, her post count's looking pretty pitiful; she needs all the help she can get.  You two are so funny.
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Theodore Polonsky
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Join date: 1 Oct 2005
Posts: 57
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08-24-2006 07:07
From: Myrrh as Pacifien Hopefully it won't come to that, but if it does, the runoff might get tricky, since we can't throw out our first-place nomination on account of the second two choices double-teaming on the 'No' vote. This is one of the things motivating me to work on an in-world voting system that supports preferential voting. I like Condorect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_methodAnyway, Myrrh, if it comes to it, I'll help you do a "paper" ballot that takes all three domains into account.
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Myrrh Massiel
Registered User
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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slsailing.org versus slsf.info
08-24-2006 07:42
It looks like one last vote came in, at the eleventh hour, for slsf.info, bumping it up to second place. If I'm able to do so tonight, I'll modify the in-world runoff to be strictly between slsailing.org and slsf.info.
Incidentally, I would love to see an in-world Condorcet voting tool!
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Jamey Sismondi
...sailor, doofus
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 16
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Domain names are cheap....
08-24-2006 15:05
Why don't we buy the top three? It's not THAT expensive!
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Myrrh Massiel
Registered User
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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Multiple domains all pointing to the same server?
08-24-2006 15:11
Not a bad idea...
But even if we did register multiple domain names, we should standardise on a single URL for general publication, to make it easy to remember. In that case, the extra domains seem a bit redundant.
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Al Kaiser
Registered User
Join date: 19 Nov 2005
Posts: 42
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Question
08-25-2006 08:01
Just a thought, has anyone contacted Linden Labs about the use of "SL". Or was that already done in the past when the SLSF was formed. Or is it not neccessary?
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MarkTwain White
4th Incarnation
Join date: 6 Nov 2004
Posts: 293
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08-25-2006 08:20
From: Al Kaiser Just a thought, has anyone contacted Linden Labs about the use of "SL". Or was that already done in the past when the SLSF was formed. Or is it not neccessary? When I formed the Second Life Golf Association I created a logo that I knew danced on the edge so I showed it to Robin Linden to get an opinion. Not surprisingly she shot it down.  She went on to say that she didn't think that I should call it "Second Life" Golf Association since that gives it an air of official approval. I mentioned that there are dozens of groups that use "Second Life" in their group name. She replied that she knew that and as they find them they are asking them to change the name. Well "finding them" is a simple 2 second search thus I kinda discounted that and kept the name as is. My suggestion is not to worry about using SL or event Second Life in our name as dozens of web sites use Second Life in their titles.
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Myrrh Massiel
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Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 362
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slsailing.org is Live!
08-28-2006 09:36
I couldn't review our vote breakdown last night - the new group interface seems to hang at 'retrieving proposal history' - but the proposal for slsailing.org did pass. Theodore has kindly taken the initiative of registering our domain (and wow! was that fast compared with my experiences at Network Solutions) and putting up a template for the site. He's also registered slsf.info, redirected to the same server. We'll have plenty of time to determine by experience whether it's worth maintaining or letting lapse at renewal. Check it out! 
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Kitty Sprocket
just keeps swimming
Join date: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 8
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08-28-2006 10:00
Very nice- has a crisp and clear look; however, I am in need of translation. I've tried French, Italian and Portugese, but to no avail. In what language might the main page be scribed?  Kitty
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Theodore Polonsky
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Join date: 1 Oct 2005
Posts: 57
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08-28-2006 10:04
GoDaddy rocks, Myrrh...usually takes less than 15 minutes for DNS to be live. And Kitty, it's faux Latin from lipsum.com ... I'm good at putting up sites, but not so good at writing content  I'll put in a CMS and Blog system soon, and then we can figure out a forum. Oh, I asked Torley about getting a vBulletin export of our Sailboat Races thread and this forum, and they don't have any way to give that to us. So we may be copy/pasting when the official forums go read-only, and starting fresh on live forums, unless we do some kind of by-hand import. 
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Alan Kiesler
Retired Resident
Join date: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 354
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08-28-2006 13:08
Yes, that is a nice layout. :thumbsup:
As for migration, there may be ways to migrate the data anyway, but I'm having an uphill battle finding any (or may not be doing the right search). But from experience with other boards needing to start from scratch (such as having to clean-slate after an attack), most will hand-post/repost the relevant info.
--Alan
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Theodore Polonsky
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Join date: 1 Oct 2005
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08-28-2006 13:42
Responding to the version of Alan's post from email, but looks like he edited it  Eh, I had a server available so I threw something together. Took 45 minutes. I hate it when domains resolve to the registrar landing page.  We'll still have a techy meeting sometime this week to sort out the details.
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Jamey Sismondi
...sailor, doofus
Join date: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 16
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08-30-2006 11:28
So far, so good, Theo. Good job. Any idea of the timeframe for a forum setup? I also like the area for club information.... I'll get started on MBYC info.
I'm no web app guru but I've sorted out a few sites in my time. Let me know if I can help....
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