I'm down with being a panelist from a Red State who voted for George W. Bush. But I've gotta wonder how engaging this meet will be if we aren't going to address issues such as Gays, Religion, Social Class, etc...
I don't understand why Democrats are the ones running around talking about mending the rift in America to we Republicans who didn't get the same treatment when Democrats controlled all corners of Government. Where was the rift-builders in 1992 when the Democrats held the White House and Congress?
This election was won by the Republicans because we did not like the direction our country was being taken. When all the hype is about TV shows which glorify homosexual behavior, that doesn't ring well in Christian America with families trying to raise children. If these issues aren't being addressed in this forum, and all we end up talking about is saving the trees and the war in Iraq, the Democrats will 'never' understand Red State/Red County America and will continue to Bleed Seats in the Government to Republicans.
I was watching C-Span today covering the DLC conference and one DLC member said that Republicans made gains in all catagories of race, age, socio-economic, etc. The Democrats made gains with High School dropouts and people with Post-Grad educations. That type of rift in America speaks to a lack of what the Democrats stand for. But this forum should be great. But I don't have any plans on healing any rifts between Democrats and Republicans. As long as Democrats support Gay marriage, abortion, destory the 2nd amendment, etc., then sorry charlie... Democrats need to move right. The Republicans don't need to move left.
Proud to be a Virginian Living in a Red State and in a Red County.
Here are some stats the Democrats can chew on...
State of Virginia
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Bush/Cheney Republican 1,717,161 53.69%
Kerry/Edwards Democratic 1,454,766 45.48%
Loudoun County Virginia
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Bush/Cheney Republican 60,382 55.69%
Kerry/Edwards Democratic 47,271 43.60%
My Local District
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Ashburn Farm
Bush/Cheney Republican 1,573 60.5%
Kerry/Edwards Democratic 1,011 38.9%
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Alby Yellowknife
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11-10-2004 05:49
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Shepra Zapata
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11-10-2004 08:37
I'm down with being a panelist from a Red State who voted for George W. Bush. But I've gotta wonder how engaging this meet will be if we aren't going to address issues such as Gays, Religion, Social Class, etc... When all the hype is about TV shows which glorify homosexual behavior, that doesn't ring well in Christian America with families trying to raise children. But this forum should be great. But I don't have any plans on healing any rifts between Democrats and Republicans. As long as Democrats support Gay marriage, abortion, destory the 2nd amendment, etc., then sorry charlie... Democrats need to move right. The Republicans don't need to move left. ~~ Hmm sounds to me someone is a plain up ass. Alby Can I ask what give syou the right to tell me I am Immoral for being gay such as your GREAT LEADER made a nation wide speech to clariffy. Honestly I have to hand it to ya, you nieve "Christian pricks" think your informed and so enlightened can you tell me a few Qs. One WHY on eath would some one CHOOSE to be outkasted, beat-up, called names, spit on, pushed away by family and freinds, and have a VERY hard road, and before you answer that NO its not cus sex I am sorry, I believe the answer is Cus WE WOULDN"T, I myself would rather walk the easy road of haven a women by my side then a man, But I am what I am and I have come to accept it and be PROUD of it, second Q why is it every "Christian god" worshipper hangs on the word of a simple man primarly Paul, Hes one man, ONE, he wasn't the christ himself was he, hmmm, no don't think so. Hes a simple man like me and everyone else IF he chose to he could have written his opinion about anything ,Such as: Its holy to screw a sheep, And boy you know all you "lost lambs" would be screwin sheep. You have no brain for yourself make you own judgement no that of what a Man sitting on a throne holding a stick tells you, Hmmmm, maybe the pope(sounds to me like a devil wearing jester clothes) And the only reason the (R) got more votes then (D) was cus all the brainless peeps do as daddy and mommy tell them vote for this party when you grow up don't invesigate the views just be a drone and listen and do as they say. And another thing Just because your a high school drop out doesn't me crapt~ my grandfather never finished high school AND made more money then you'll ever see in your life. You have no clue what your sayin you have no thought of your own and I am sorry when is it the GOVERMENTS job to tell me how to live my life, well its not and it sure as hell ain't your place so look and the mirror why off the shit struck makeup off your face and think REAL hard when you make judgements aboput a game largely populated by gays and pagans. Oh and another thing In the US there are more pagans then christians around, the US has a Population of around 1,000,000,000 as an estimate christians thats equal to those who claim no god or higher power, Pagans there are around 2,000,000,000. The fact is most of us Don't bother with childish games such as voting cus it doesn'y matter in the end they go back and forth one pres will instate one pres will uninstate. So Be proud to be an American but save us the humilation of havin to admit you are one. (I have no probs with And Religion only those who think they are better then the rest for their views) |
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Hamlet Linden
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11-10-2004 12:31
> When all the hype is about TV shows which glorify homosexual behavior, that doesn't
> ring well in Christian America with families trying to raise children. If these issues aren't > being addressed in this forum Don't worry, Alby, they will be. But at the same time, just as I expect Bush critics to validate their generalizations at the event, I'd expect you to do so, as well. If not, I'd prefer you just explain how this issue influenced *your* vote for Bush. Again, I'd like to keep this discussion focused on the individuals on the panel, speaking only for themselves. Less "People supported Bush because..." or "People opposed Bush because...", and more "I supported Bush because..." and "I opposed Bush because..." |
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Bakuzelas Khan
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11-10-2004 12:39
> When all the hype is about TV shows which glorify homosexual behavior, that doesn't > ring well in Christian America with families trying to raise children. If these issues aren't > being addressed in this forum Here's a shocker, Alby. Gays raise children, too. _____________________
No, Dad, why don't YOU play the pan pipes? Playing the pan pipes is YOUR dream, NOT mine!
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Beryl Greenacre
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11-10-2004 13:08
Here's a shocker, Alby. Gays raise children, too. Not only that, but many people realize they are gay in their teens or even younger. The suicide rate among gay teens is higher than straight teens, presumably because they feel like outsiders or don't know quite how to handle the fact that they are gay in a society where they are shunned and even feared by so many. Also, for those who argue they are "protecting" kids from gays, there is no evidence of a higher rate of pedophilia among gays than in the heterosexual population. |
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Alby Yellowknife
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11-10-2004 18:51
Not only that, but many people realize they are gay in their teens or even younger. The suicide rate among gay teens is higher than straight teens, presumably because they feel like outsiders or don't know quite how to handle the fact that they are gay in a society where they are shunned and even feared by so many. Also, for those who argue they are "protecting" kids from gays, there is no evidence of a higher rate of pedophilia among gays than in the heterosexual population. Let me bring you up to speed with the rest of America. You can say anything you want to justify gay lifestyles, but the proof is in the pudding. And Americas are speaking with a loud and booming voice. And it clearly says that a Homosexual Lifestyle is not acceptable in the United States of America. As such, ballots have been cast to ensure that a Heterosexual lifestyle is the only recognized and accepted lifestyle. 11 states down, 39 to go. Even in Blue Liberal states like Michigan and Oregon who voted for Kerry, they still voted to outlaw gay marriage. What's your response to that? Same-sex marriage bans winning on state ballots 11 states approve constitutional amendments to outlaw gay nuptials Wednesday, November 3, 2004 Posted: 3:22 PM EST (2022 GMT) (CNN) -- Six months after gay and lesbian couples won the right to marry in Massachusetts, opponents of same-sex marriage struck back Tuesday, with voters in 11 states approving constitutional amendments codifying marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. Voters in Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah all approved anti-same-sex marriage amendments by double-digit margins. |
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Beryl Greenacre
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11-10-2004 19:18
Let me bring you up to speed with the rest of America. You can say anything you want to justify gay lifestyles, but the proof is in the pudding. And Americas are speaking with a loud and booming voice. And it clearly says that a Homosexual Lifestyle is not acceptable in the United States of America. As such, ballots have been cast to ensure that a Heterosexual lifestyle is the only recognized and accepted lifestyle. 11 states down, 39 to go. Even in Blue Liberal states like Michigan and Oregon who voted for Kerry, they still voted to outlaw gay marriage. What's your response to that? My response to that is that I am the (married) parent of two small children who doesn't have a problem with same-sex marriage. We're out here, and our numbers are growing, especially since, every day, more of us come to realize that someone we love (a friend, a sibling, a parent, an aunt or uncle, even one of our own children) is gay. Do you have any children, Alby, or is this just a theoretical debate for you? I take prejudice against a segment of our population quite seriously, and so will my children... and their children, too. Also, with each passing generation recognizing more and more openly that sexual orientation is inherent and NOT a lifestyle choice, there will be less and less of a ridiculously prejudiced and outdated stigma against. it. It's the way of the world, as our society grows and changes, we leave behind things that have no use anymore (like blocking women and people of color from voting). |
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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11-11-2004 10:38
Let me bring you up to speed with the rest of America. You can say anything you want to justify gay lifestyles, but the proof is in the pudding. And Americas are speaking with a loud and booming voice. And it clearly says that a Homosexual Lifestyle is not acceptable in the United States of America. As such, ballots have been cast to ensure that a Heterosexual lifestyle is the only recognized and accepted lifestyle. 11 states down, 39 to go. Even in Blue Liberal states like Michigan and Oregon who voted for Kerry, they still voted to outlaw gay marriage. What's your response to that? Americans also liked slavery until we fought a bloody civil war. We liked oppressing women until the 1920's. WE thought Prohibition was a good idea. We thought Jim Crowe laws were just. We thought black people were "inferior" until the Civil Rights acts of the 1960's. In 20-30 years, these constitutional amendments will be a forgotten memory, another black mark on the history of our Republic. So, Alby, just because the American people think something is right, does that make it so? Your post is a testament to backwards, Victorian thinking and a xenophobia that's barely contained. Do us a favor and get out more. LF _____________________
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Tiger Crossing
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11-11-2004 10:47
Hamlet, no say for the alternate party condidate supporters?
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Thea Donovan
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11-11-2004 13:21
What about expats who voted by mail for third-party candidates?
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Hamlet Linden
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11-11-2004 14:41
If this were the 2000 Presidential election, or another race where 3rd party candidates had a significant impact on the outcome, I'd say yes. For this one, however, I think we should just stick with the top two candidates.
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-11-2004 18:39
Oouuuch.
Hamlet, are you trying to keep this smack dab in the middle? I think if you were looking to leverage the strengths of SecondLife it wouldn't be to look for soccer mom type opinions.. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
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Hamlet Linden
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11-12-2004 15:18
You'd actually be surprised how many active Second Life residents potentially fit under the "soccer mom" rubric, so I certainly wouldn't belittle their opinions, myself. In any case, no, it isn't a matter of keeping things in the middle-- it's about keeping the conversation focused on the two candidates who actually had a numerically significant impact on this election (i.e., Kerry or Bush.) If we'd run this event right after the 2000 election, I can promise you a Nader voter or two would be up on the stage with us. (Especially if they were from Florida.
)Anyway, I think I've nailed down all the panelists, and I'm going to start contacting them in-world, to nail down a time/day we can all be there. A couple of them are from the EU, so hopefully some of the panelists are willing to wake up early or stay up late... |
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-12-2004 23:05
Whups, sorry, my point wasn't aimed at mothers who drive there children to soccer but rather the watered down polling beast that politicos have melted into one big pot called 'soccer moms'.
Obviously there are people who share these opinions, after all thats where they come from, but I think everyone has some fringe opinions which should be shared. I think Jon Stewart said it best - 'you're hurting america'. His point being that the partisan hackery of Crossfire simplifies everything into the stereotypes that plays right into the hands of politicians, corporations, etc.. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Thea Donovan
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11-13-2004 04:08
If this were the 2000 Presidential election, or another race where 3rd party candidates had a significant impact on the outcome, I'd say yes. For this one, however, I think we should just stick with the top two candidates. The unpopularity of third party candidates this election is precisely why I think it would be interesting to have a third party voter speaking at the event. |
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Robin Marten
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11-15-2004 10:56
I am a "Red Stater", a conservative on most issues. I voted FOR Bush and not against Kerry. There is one thing I just don't get, why do people think that it's any of their business who marries who, or who is sleeping with who, or what God people believe in. These are personal issues. Neither the government or anyone else should stick their nose in personal issues.
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Hamlet Linden
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11-15-2004 15:39
> I think Jon Stewart said it best - 'you're hurting america'. His point being that the
> partisan hackery of Crossfire simplifies everything into the stereotypes But Jon Stewart was referring to Begala and Tucker Carlson, more or less paid advocates for their respective parties. By contrast, I'm trying to get beyond the ideology and the stereotypes they're known for. In instead, I'm want 3-5 everyday folks talking with 3-5 other folks about their decision-making process. No demonizing the other side, no name calling, no pat campaign slogans (hopefully); think less "Crossfire"and more the kind of informal town hall meetings people like Ted Koppel host. Speaking of which, I should be nailing down the day/time of this event pretty soon... |
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Hamlet Linden
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11-16-2004 17:26
The area behind the event site stage (Wengen 75, 24
 is now open for building political sculpture pertaining to the election. In the upcoming related NWN entry, I will try to feature screenshots of all these entries, with credits to all builders. And at the end of the Thursday event, I'll be awarding L$1000 to up to three of the most striking builds, in three categories:- anti-Kerry/pro-Bush - anti-Bush/pro-Kerry - General, Non-Partisan Current Events, pertaining to news of the last four years that has impacted the last presidential election. - All sculptures must be the resident's own work and PG. Entries that violate either standard may be deleted. The selectees will be based on my own personal judgement, but here's the general principles I'll make the selections on: - Originality. - Humor, dramatic, and/or intellectual impact. - Preference for 3D and/or scripted and/or graphic expression, over 2D expression. (I.E., I'm more likely to give the award to an evocative sculpture, as opposed to a text-only billboard.) - Adherence to the spirit of the event. (I.E., no personal attacks, unsupported assertions, or extreme political statements. General rule of thumb: at least somewhat to the left of Ann Coulter and at least somewhat to the right of Michael Moore.) Deadline for the building is this Thursday, 6:30pm PST! Any questions, post here, or IM me (Hamlet Linden). |
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Hamlet Linden
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11-17-2004 17:27
Just to clarify, people can begin building political sculptures/signs right now. The building site is Wengen (24, 222 or thereabouts) and is cleverly entitled "Rezzing area". No need to check with me, no need to describe your plans-- just check the guidelines, and start your rezzing!
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Hamlet Linden
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11-18-2004 14:38
The political sculptures are going up! Currently we have two non-partisan current events sculptures, and two I'm classifying as anti-Bush sculptures, but no pro-Bush sculptures, so I'm cordially inviting any Bush supporters to help balanced out the 3D debate. Remember, L$1000 is going to one selectee in each category. 4 more hours left to do so!
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