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Prokofy Neva
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05-15-2005 14:31
From: someone
The irony is not lost on me. You are trying to influence nearly all aspects of SL. You have since you started.


Nolan, this is your crazed, feverish notion. I hardly think by criticizing certain entrenched features of SL that I"m "trying to influence SL". I think I'm raising legitimate issues that loads of other people have raised before me, or wish to raise but maybe are intimidated. They're generic issues, like ending favouritism (like putting Linden card dispensors on private property).

From: someone
Its quite obvious. I know you consider yourself crafty and clever, but it is THAT obvious. You're trying to make up for some sort of penis envy at not having "got here first". Hence your "New continent pioneer" line.


I honestly don't care that I didn't get here first. The hilarious thing is that one of my enemies in the SSG once tried to get me to come on a "date" to SL. He thought it would just be more fun to continue the battle there where you could make vehicles and weapons and stuff. I came and tooled around a little but it was too laggy, too many crashes, etc. and I just didn't care for it. This was back in the day when I could have signed up for betas and charters and 4096s and all the rest *and I didn't care*. And I *still don't care*. I know that must come as a terrible shock to you but I honestly do not have any penis envy or vagina envy or for not having been present as a midwife at the "birth and raising" of SL. Please spare me your projections.

From: someone
And hey, at least I stopped what I was doing. I was asked by a mod to stop, and I complied. You, on the other hand, simply start new threads after you've been asked to stop, or interject the same BS you were asked to stop into other threads.


I think certain topics are worth discussing, and if they need to close them and ban me, that's ok. This topic here is a separate and different topic, well worth discussing, so try to keep it on track, hmmm?

Provide some actual evidence for how I have either aspired to, or influenced, the game? Other than the Linden card dispensor thing, and a few other things I chimed in on with hundreds of others (like officer recall being removed in the next patch), well, how can you honestly say I influence the game or attempt to influence the game? And *if* I influence the game, where is the proof that I influence it *for ill*? I can't see any proof of that -- it's too big, too indestructable, too diverse for any one person to "harm it' in the parochial notion you have of "harming the community". There's no community and no harm such as you imagine, Nolan, the little red telephone isn't plugged into anything.


From: someone
In other words, I once got carried away, it was not to try to silence you, that would be as foolhardy as trying to stop a rushing herd of elephants bare-handed. I had an acute loss of impulse control, you, on the other hand, have a chronic case of lack of self control born of your need to be "right" at all costs. Your sole purpose in SL is to bend it to your whims.


Yawn. This is a thread about organized player influence on the economy. Not stuff about vague innuendos.

Can you discuss organized player influence on the economy?

For example, do you think land barons agree with each other to all cash out at once, or hold back some, or not cash out, or all bid at once? I dunno. Stuff like that is worth trying to parse out.

From: someone
Good luck, you'll need it, I predict LL won't put up with your poison much longer. Remember, they don't need a legal reason to 86 you. All they have to do is get fed up with your hate-mongering, and then poosh zee beeg red button! Ciao, hun.


I don't think LL is in the business of vindictively 86-ing people for no reason. If you look at most of their polite blotter actions, they're about weapons, assault, sexual harassment, etc. and I don't do any of those things.
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Tara Proudfoot
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05-15-2005 15:13
From: Mojo Bliss
You ask if consumer really needs what you say. There are thousands of us that have no self identify as consumers and have no interest in consume issues. We just want to have the game be here when we want to play.






well said and well done Mojo couldnt have said it better myself some of these self important social communists need to relax and have fun lol
Tara Proudfoot
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05-15-2005 15:15
oh and by the way if you are sick of my less than brain numbing posts that you are used to just get LL to allow me to log into the game and you'll be rid of me in the forums lol
Nolan Nash
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05-15-2005 15:45
From: Prokofy Neva
Nolan, this is your crazed, feverish notion. I hardly think by criticizing certain entrenched features of SL that I"m "trying to influence SL". I think I'm raising legitimate issues that loads of other people have raised before me, or wish to raise but maybe are intimidated. They're generic issues, like ending favouritism (like putting Linden card dispensors on private property).

This all so very subjective. Your idea of favoritism is so wildy hyperbolic and fantastic that it has just become so much trite mythos. Why should anyone have to defend pushing back against mindless, pseudo-intellectual, paranoic, battering ram ramblings? This is not your personal blog Prokofy.
From: Prokofy Neva
I honestly don't care that I didn't get here first. The hilarious thing is that one of my enemies in the SSG once tried to get me to come on a "date" to SL. He thought it would just be more fun to continue the battle there where you could make vehicles and weapons and stuff. I came and tooled around a little but it was too laggy, too many crashes, etc. and I just didn't care for it. This was back in the day when I could have signed up for betas and charters and 4096s and all the rest *and I didn't care*. And I *still don't care*. I know that must come as a terrible shock to you but I honestly do not have any penis envy or vagina envy or for not having been present as a midwife at the "birth and raising" of SL. Please spare me your projections.
I beg to differ. Tough bounce. Don't think I am the only one who sees through your claim on non-envy, you reek of it.
From: Prokofy Neva
I think certain topics are worth discussing, and if they need to close them and ban me, that's ok. This topic here is a separate and different topic, well worth discussing, so try to keep it on track, hmmm?
Sure, as soon as you do. You attacked Seth, and turned it into a personal issue. Too late now hypocrite. Not to mention, it was fine for you to once again bring up the past and embellish what took place between you and I, which has nothing to do with this thread.


So, as long as you once again brought it up, most likely because you realize that your other arguments are weak, let me set the record straight.

1) I did not give your RL name.

2) I stated what city you live in, which is on your profile. No harm done.

3) I stated your gender, which you had disclosed to more than one person already. You had already chosen to reveal this info, when I posted it.

4) I gave one of your professions. This was wrong and I was warned for it. I think the punishment should have been a little more stern myself. Pathfinder, in retrospect, agreed.

You would have people think I "murdered your avatar", yet you loudly and proudly assert whenever you can how successful you are in this game, despite the "FIC" having their hands on the jugular of SL. Milk it for all it's worth. I don't care. The truth is the truth. I was wrong to give your profession out, however, at least the phrase "I was wrong" is a part of my vocabulary.
From: Prokofy Neva
Provide some actual evidence for how I have either aspired to, or influenced, the game? Other than the Linden card dispensor thing, and a few other things I chimed in on with hundreds of others (like officer recall being removed in the next patch), well, how can you honestly say I influence the game or attempt to influence the game? And *if* I influence the game, where is the proof that I influence it *for ill*? I can't see any proof of that -- it's too big, too indestructable, too diverse for any one person to "harm it' in the parochial notion you have of "harming the community". There's no community and no harm such as you imagine, Nolan, the little red telephone isn't plugged into anything.
All one needs do is read nearly any of your posts to see that you are a control freak. You are unable to see this. That's a shame. You're smart, what a waste of brainpower.
From: Prokofy Neva
Yawn. This is a thread about organized player influence on the economy. Not stuff about vague innuendos.
You know, when you use words like "yawn", "duh", "um", "hon", etc., you do much damage to your persona and credibilty. It's very childish.
From: Prokofy Neva
Can you discuss organized player influence on the economy?
Can you? or would you like to speak about Seth's evil genius plan to rule SL, or my attempt to "murder your avatar"?
From: Prokofy Neva
For example, do you think land barons agree with each other to all cash out at once, or hold back some, or not cash out, or all bid at once? I dunno. Stuff like that is worth trying to parse out.
I will not be steered by you.
From: Prokofy Neva
I don't think LL is in the business of vindictively 86-ing people for no reason. If you look at most of their polite blotter actions, they're about weapons, assault, sexual harassment, etc. and I don't do any of those things.

It doesn't have to be vindictive. If they tire of your attempts to disparage both Linden Lab and a fair cross section of it's player base, it's just good business sense.

I think you regulary thumb your nose at them. Repeatedly. Especially here on the forums. You have been asked I don't know how may times to stop talking about a person or a group and you just start another thread, or carry on in another thread. Talk about hedonism. My stars.

I think you routinely and religiously accuse them of all sorts of "wrongs". Things the Great Prokofy considers "wrongs", at any rate. These are serious charges you level at them, day in and day out.

I don't know of any other developer, and I have dealt with many, that would put up with your crap indefinately. Count your blessings.
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Prokofy Neva
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05-15-2005 16:31
From: someone
This all so very subjective. Your idea of favoritism is so wildy hyperbolic and fantastic that it has just become so much trite mythos. Why should anyone have to defend pushing back against mindless, pseudo-intellectual, paranoic, battering ram ramblings? This is not your personal blog Prokofy.


I've as much right as you to express myself on the forums, Nolan. I'm not intimidated by your exaggerated portrayal of my postings.


From: someone
Sure, as soon as you do. You attacked Seth, and turned it into a personal issue.

I didn't attack Seth. I said I found the IDEA of organized player influence of the global economy a scary thing. I do indeed. I'm right to challenge that IDEA. What part of IDEA didn't you get here?

From: someone
So, as long as you once again brought it up, most likely because you realize that your other arguments are weak, let me set the record straight.


You've just set yourself up for another abuse report.

From: someone
1) I did not give your RL name.
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You posted a note with my RL name shown like this: [ ] to indicate that you *have it*. You've posted threatening private messages to me showing me my RL name and I"ve protested that fact.

From: someone
2) I stated what city you live in, which is on your profile. No harm done.


By grabbing my real-life name, you can hone in further to where I live. That's wrong.

From: someone
3) I stated your gender, which you had disclosed to more than one person already. You had already chosen to reveal this info, when I posted it.


I have not disclosed this information, Nolan. This is your feverish imagination, and imagination you've spread to people like Cienna Samiam. Repeat: I have not disclosed this information.

YOU have disclosed it. NOT ME.

It is NOT ON MY SECOND LIFE PROFILE. IT HAS NEVER BEEN ON MY SECOND LIFE PROFILE. IT IS NOT LINKED TO MY SECOND LIFE PROFILE, THEREFORE WHATEVER YOU IMAGINE OR THINK YOU KNOW ABOUT IT OR IN FACT KNOW IS NOT FAIR GAME FOR YOUR PUBLIC RANTINGS ON THESE FORUMS.

I had not, repeat, NOT chose to reveal any kind of RL information, including my RL gender, in any way shape or form.

Your continued insistence on this point is sick. It shows that you are willing to go right on being abusive, and with a sense of impunity.

Let's posit a possible scenario where I might have become intimate with someone in the game and shared with them RL information. Would that be information that you, a stranger, could grab on to? It wasn't shared with you. It wasn't put on my profile. If you picked it up from googling or witch hunts all over town or keeping your ear to the ground for gossip, that's a violation of the TOS if you publicize it.

It seems very important to exonerate yourself from this crime, Nolan, and I'm not going to let you do it.

Your case is still under review, and you can be damn sure that I'm going to push this to the fucking max because of your obdurate insistence that I have revealed something that I have not, that you are entitled to it, and that you and all the others who harass me with constant insinuations about real or imagined RL information can go on doing this with impunity. You can't.


4) I gave one of your professions. This was wrong and I was warned for it. I think the punishment should have been a little more stern myself. Pathfinder, in retrospect, agreed.

No, the punishment should have been swift and relentless not for some profession or publication or RL website only but for everything else real and imagined you revealed, and helped others to go on daily revealing in the forums, which includes my RL gender, which you continue, falsely, to believe I have revealed, when I have not.

From: someone

You would have people think I "murdered your avatar", yet you loudly and proudly assert whenever you can how successful you are in this game, despite the "FIC" having their hands on the jugular of SL. Milk it for all it's worth. I don't care. The truth is the truth. I was wrong to give your profession out, however, at least the phrase "I was wrong" is a part of my vocabulary.


You know EXACTLY what you did, Nolan, and you will not go on enjoying this impunity forever.

From: someone
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prokofy Neva
Provide some actual evidence for how I have either aspired to, or influenced, the game?


From: someone
All one needs do is read nearly any of your posts to see that you are a control freak. You are unable to see this. That's a shame. You're smart, what a waste of brainpower.


There you go again, unable to find an actual example of your claim.

From: someone
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prokofy Neva
Can you discuss organized player influence on the economy?

Can you? or would you like to speak about Seth's evil genius plan to rule SL, or my attempt to "murder your avatar"?


I didn't claim Seth had an evil genius plan to rule SL. I questioned his IDEA of "organized player influence of the global economy" and I have yet to here a sane and cogent defense of that IDEA such as to remove any fears others and I have about the typical sort of Bolshevik way it can happen that one or more organized players can seize the helm.


From: someone
It doesn't have to be vindictive. If they tire of your attempts to disparage both Linden Lab and a fair cross section of it's player base, it's just good business sense.


IMHO, they need to think seriously about the merits of my critique. I think that some of them do, and some of them actually agree, and are working on these issues.

From: someone
I think you regulary thumb your nose at them. Repeatedly. Especially here on the forums. You have been asked I don't know how may times to stop talking about a person or a group and you just start another thread, or carry on in another thread. Talk about hedonism. My stars.


*Shrugs*. I'm harmless, Nolan.

From: someone
I think you routinely and religiously accuse them of all sorts of "wrongs". Things the Great Prokofy considers "wrongs", at any rate. These are serious charges you level at them, day in and day out.

I don't know of any other developer, and I have dealt with many, that would put up with your crap indefinately. Count your blessings.


What would be extraordinary is if these developers got rid of me, with my considerable investment and my many positive contributions to the game, and enhancement of the enjoyment of the game for hundreds of people who are my tenants, but they kept you, a gross and systematic violator of the TOS restriction on disclosure of RL information.
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Nolan Nash
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05-15-2005 16:54
You're not harmless. You are the worst thing that has happened to SL as of yet. Your cantankerous "expose's" or "reporting" as you like to call it, are a cancer. It's the worst case I have seen to date, and I am no spring chicken.

Despite your fantastical projection, I could give a rat's ass where you live. No place on earth is far enough away from you to make me happy. I loathe knowing you are even in the same hemisphere with me, so let me state here publically, I have absolutely no desire to "hone" in on where you live. You must think you're really important. Go figure. (DUH!)

Have fun in your sad little glass house built on a foundation of extreme paranoia and a false sense of overindulgent, hedonistic, entitlement. You know, that which you accuse a plethora of people of doing themselves. Shining through like a true hypocrite, as usual.

Report away. I'd love to be suspended for standing up to your incessant carping about how everyone but Prokofy Neva are assholes, and living their Second Lives in the wrong manner.

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05-15-2005 16:59
stop feeding the troll
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05-15-2005 17:14
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
stop feeding the troll
Starve the beast.
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Prokofy Neva
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05-15-2005 17:31
Stop feeding those who wish to take over SL with their anti-business and elitist viewpoints.
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Jake Reitveld
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05-15-2005 17:46
Well I can only speak about one of these things, and that is the so called watchdog private ags that pop up to protect me, as a relatively new player, from some scam or another. to me this is dangerous becuase these "private Attorneys General" do little more than stir up flame wars in the forums in pursuit of thier own agenda. I always feel a bit put out when I am told I must do this, or I must do that. I am capable of making my own choices. But so far a number of individuals have offered up the "so and so lied and frauds people" and none of them have truly presented a coherent argument.

I do not know if its to curry favor, or to actively attack someone. But much of what I read in these forums has little to do with the actual topic. Rather it seems that people will attack your business ethics just as soon as you say something they disagree with. Thus I donlt feel I want anyone looking out for my interests who isn't a linden.

I would note in general tyranny in SL is impossible, since the lindens can pull the plug.
Prokofy Neva
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05-15-2005 18:03
From: someone
Thus I donlt feel I want anyone looking out for my interests who isn't a linden.


I think that's well said. The Lindens can't be everywhere, however.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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05-15-2005 23:56
ahaha prokofy the only Sler that is actually able to QUOTE HIMSELF !!
soon his post number could be bigger than the number of SL players. Actually Prokofy should buy himself a life and start writing books i am sure he would be famous ... or would be expused from his country ... maybe...

SL is like a small version of the world and i can guess that if Prokofy is so badly received here, i bet it can only be worse in his real life...

By the way what was the point of digging this little chunk of text? exepted in an hopeless attempt to show your point of view (it isnt interesting anybody anyway) exepted to please your over inflated ego.

I am sure i am not the only one that is pissed by Prokofy's pityfull attempts to show that HE is someone that count.

Prok everybody here is just waiting for you to get a meaning to your life and leave SL once for all to the peoples that are really worth of it (and yes as you guessed you arent included)

I dont know, do something, violate the TOS or something give to LL a reason to ban you :/
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Prokofy Neva
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05-16-2005 00:28
From: someone
ahaha prokofy the only Sler that is actually able to QUOTE HIMSELF !!


I'm quoting Jake, and Jake is a separate person, not my alt, if that's your insinuation.

From: someone
SL is like a small version of the world and i can guess that if Prokofy is so badly received here, i bet it can only be worse in his real life...


How would you know? And how is this relevant?

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From: someone
y the way what was the point of digging this little chunk of text? exepted in an hopeless attempt to show your point of view (it isnt interesting anybody anyway) exepted to please your over inflated ego.


No, I thought Jake had summed it up very well -- that he only trusts the Lindens, not other players, to serve his interests.

From: someone
I am sure i am not the only one that is pissed by Prokofy's pityfull attempts to show that HE is someone that count.


Yeah, I am someone that count. Yeah.

From: someone
Prok everybody here is just waiting for you to get a meaning to your life and leave SL once for all to the peoples that are really worth of it (and yes as you guessed you arent included)


Kyrah, you need to grow up, and understand that other people exist in the world beside you, and that they aren't going anywhere, because they have a right to exist.

I won't be leaving SL because "I am someone that count". Absolutely. You're certainly not any arbiter of who is "really worth of it".

From: someone
I dont know, do something, violate the TOS or something give to LL a reason to ban you :/


You'll come to understand in time that you don't solve problems by saying, like Stalin used to, "No person, no problem." Find other ways to fix your flawed life besides blaming me. What is your contribution to this thread? None that I can see.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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05-16-2005 00:33
yess i found what i am gonna do , i am gonna put prok on ignore, this way i can stop wasting my time on posts he is barely reading

you still should try to leave prok, take a walk , hum some fresh air, you will be another man ^_^
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Prokofy Neva
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05-16-2005 00:35
From: someone
you still should try to leave prok, take a walk , hum some fresh air, you will be another man ^_^


Kyrah, you've said about 10 times now in about 10 different posts that the "solution" to your disagreement with me is for me to "leave SL".

Hate to disappoint, but I won't be doing that at all. So your putting me on ignore is actually a very good idea, because then the forums will be relieved of the necessity of you having to say another 10 times, in response to my arguments, that "I should leave SL" -- a point that isn't effective as either an argument or as an imperative on me LOL.
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05-16-2005 13:27
From: Chip Midnight
It's also a TOS violation and you should report it.


Actually, I did when I first saw it, same day PN created this thread. LL hasn't done anything. I can kind of understand why, and I can sympathize with LL - because Prokofy is so careful to skirt the boundaries of acceptable behavior, dipping his/her/its claw in it and then backing off and pretending to be anything but the sick fuck he/she/it is. So it's tough to bring down the juice on such a stalking predator.
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05-17-2005 10:08
From: Prokofy Neva
You're never really explained why you mounted such a terribly ambitious venture as conceiving of a player organized influence of the global economy. And you're still not doing that.


Because you masquerade serious emotional problems behind a ragged facade of "intellectual critique." Because answering you gets no one anywhere - you cannot debate by any normal rules, as your condition does not allow for tolerance, kindness, discipline, or rational thought.
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05-17-2005 10:28
This thread is being closed for obvious reasons as it has devolved yet again into an exchange of personal attacks. Please be aware that this continued misuse of the forum is being dealt with by the Lindens. The purpose of the Second Life forums is to promote discussion and education about Second Life.
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