Did Linden Already Sign a Contract with Integrity???

I wasn't there, and so I couldn't verify this...but look very carefully, it DOES look as though Robin acknowledges that a contract with Integrity (the ID verification third party) WAS signed, effective yesterday?

I in no way can accept responsibility for the accuracy of information in the link I am providing, nor do I PERSONALLY herein post any content from Second Life...however, the information is now posted on a public website, for the consumption of the readers:

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/sho...?t=12788&page=2 (text/chat reportedly from Robin's 11am SLT meeting with residents yesterday)((Dead Link! Correct Link is posted in #4 --PP))

I welcome anyone's analysis of the text in that link, as well as verification or refutation anyone can provide!

Link doesn't work.

Thanks, and sorry, and ????????

Can anyone with an active SecondCitizen account help here? Was the link taken down?

I WILL take this thread down, if we arent able to verify the conversation elsewhere and the link cannot be restored.

Your like got munged, Parsimony - the ... in the middle makes it invalid. Try the one below instead. No registration required.

http://forums.secondcitizen.com/showthread.php?t=12788&page=2

This link is working....at the moment

i'm still laughing HARD at this:

Soleil Mirabeau: If I have cyber sex dressed as a fetus, will I be banned? The United States doesn't count a fetus as a human yet does it? Or do I have to be younger than 24 weeks?

XD. As for your question, she does say:

Robin Linden: Khamon - just did. The contract is signed.

..and I see no reason to doubt the chat log.

Guess that answers that

Age verification is basically a go - they arent going to Unsign the contract.

Its all over but the crying now.

Guess I'll be finally selling off that last piece of land, closing down the last bits left of my SL business, cashing out my last Lindens and taking my fun elsewhere very shortly.

Oh well, it was fun while it was still a game.

On the positive side, at least I got $350 back out of my $3000 spent on SL by selling off all my goodies. Think I'll go buy some Real World fun things. After this experience, I'm just not interested in putting my fun money into any more "virtual" commodities. On the negative side, sorry to all those wonderful business owners out there who I've enjoyed buying from repeatedly - y'all are fabulous artists.

SL can kiss my butt goodbye as soon as their Orwellian age verification plan is implemented.

Well? Does a fetus count as a child?

oh no. oh no no no! you're not dragging me into THAT debate sir.

I don't know, but a zygote certainy isn't!

Ironically, it isn't going to be your fiscal bottom line, nor mine, that will feel the full brunt of this...anyone want to join me at a all-faith prayer meeting, where we can all do what is left to save Linden's butts from their plunge down a well...pray???

well its sure to hurt my business

I just dont see Linden Lab backing out after they signed the contract.

My guess is this --- They grew MUCH faster then they had planned, they probably figure they can take a Population hit right now.

They want the Adult stuff cleaned up a fair amount anyhow .. so they can have a mainstream comemrcial second life.

The Sex and Porn served its purpose it help SL grow at a huge rate, Now its time to push it on restricted access parcels out of the public view.

This lets them be all nice and shiny for all the normal people coming.


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Note - this is me rationalizing what they are doing - Its my opinion of what they are doing.

Its not what I want them to do .. I want them to grandfather in everyone who already age verified. And then only do whatever new system for new players who see what it is BEFORE they become vested in Second Life.

Unlike the SLirgins on the forums I have nothing against sex or porn in most cases. I enjoy SLsex even, and participate regularily.

Its just what I see is happeneing. MUCH of Second Life will look more PG than it does now on the surface.

YUP! This is it folks!! Hurry up & buy all your "adult" goods now before you gotta fork over TOO MUCH Personal Info!!!

I'd walk around with a "The End Is Near" sandwich board, but I'm just too tired right now.

You know, I have maintained a full-subscriber account to Runescape, and I was there for four years before coming to SL...but I just got tired of top-down scripting of environment and rules, over-regulation, and having to always behave and be treated like, a well-behaved 13-year-old (WTH that means!) instead of as a mature socially-acceptable adult seeking wholesome diversion...I left, so because I got tired of falling over immature, mostly computer semi-literate kids, just to be in a place to have a decent Virt-World interaction with the group of adults that had hung together there...

And so I abandoned my socially-constrained adult Runescape friends to come to Second Life...for two reasons:

1)I bought into the mystique of a virt world by adults, for adults, with a self-regulating society

2)I bought into Your World, Your Imagination and a company policy that seemed to WANT to let adults choose to be civil and civilized to each other, and to let folks be responsible for their own behavior.

And to think, all that was only lil over 8 months ago, and 5,200,000 mostly-unverified accounts...and now, we have adults breaking laws, and having "Age Verification" pushed down our throats by mis-programmed PR robots who can't even get the story to match the problem...

Come on! Adults don't get blocked by age verification from coming in to commit crimes, because they will continue to find and use SOME means to get in...so now, instead of kiddie porn freeks using anonymous identities to get in, well, heh, they'll be forced to use STOLEN identities to get in (and try to convince me that wasn't and isn't already happening, too)...and so that balance of crime shifts yet further out of Linden's control...now we have kiddie porn identity-theiving adults, who will be twice as guilty as before, but no less active in Second Life than they ever were!

I see a huge reason to replace Robin Linden and possibly quite a few others:

"Ryozu Kojima: Gothic Lolita is a fashion style that has nothing to do with Ageplay
Ryozu Kojima: And it has now been literally swept off the face of search
Robin Linden: Could you please just give it a different name then?"

"Just give it a different name"?

Does Robin Linden expect a dozen million people all over the world to just start "calling it something different" all at the same time? What's being asked is akin to asking everyone to call "heavy metal" music "weighty guitar"---all at the same time.

LL is utterly out of touch, and needs a high colonic in the biggest way.

But maybe its -

The Media is out of touch - thus cuasing LL's response.



If not allowing that term is what LL feels it needs to do to keep the Media at bay. Then it is going to do that.

You're giving Linden Labs---you know, the people who can't figure out how to do a rolling upgrade---far, far too much credit in this.

This has nothing to do with keeping the media at bay, and everything to do with Linden Labs being utterly out of touch with the various and sundry goings on in the world today. And its a shame too---its exactly these sorts of things that they should be understanding, and quickly---what "gothic lolita" means, what subcultures its derived from, what the music associated with it is like, and all the rest...and not just for gothic lolita topics, but for *all topics in all subcultures that have any representation on Second Life*.

But I'm now sure that Linden Labs realizes this, and understands exactly how they're broken, why they're broken, and how to fix it. That they're only fixing and improving cosmetic issues and not intrinsic issues tells me that Linden Labs is preparing itself for aquisition.

Can't wait to see the threads on that.

Nah, Im just figuring they are being reactionary.

FBI asks us questions about Casinos. Okay Casino the word isnt allowed.

Fox news doesnt like the Jailbait Club - Fine , ageplay needs to be kept underground.

German News finds more Ageplay and some Child Porn criminals that are into it and tells the german cops - K , Sorry Ageplay has got to go. While were at it we need to scour away anythign that even suggests teenage sex, So no more Lolita ads...

Kind of like that ...


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Sure they might be cleaning the place up for a sale. Always good to go out when your the #1 rather than in 5 years when theres 3 big competitors.

This is something I agree with. If people want to be age verified then give them the option to go down the integrity route. However anyone who is paying tier fees or subscription fees now are in a contract with LL that they are over 18. It's extremely hypocritical of LL to continue to say "Yup, we'll take your money, but we don't believe you're whom you claim to be".

I fail to see how LL can morally take this stance.

Aquisition?
I thought LL already owns SL?
what els do they want to aquire?

They would GET aquired.

The posture of a company looking to get purchased is one of showing as much profit as possible, usually at least partly by not spending money on customer retention, but *customer aquisition*.

How do you do that? You get interviewed in Wired a lot, you get your face on television a lot, you do demos in public a lot, and you do a ton of software releases focusing on things like new prim methods and various other ways to make Second Life prettier---while at the same time, utterly ignoring the needs of your longterm customers---longterm customers are expensive to retain, while new customers are cheap to acquire.

I have a standing bet that it's going to be either Microsoft or Yahoo.

LL's moral compass seems to spin as if it were in the Bermuda Triangle.....

Compass? What compass?