Will the "real" First Land please show up.

Ok I am thinking of tiering up over my basic account. I went to do some reasearch on Linden owned "first land" (512m=512L) and I go to Land Sales and do a "first Land" only search and it comes up blank. Am I doing something wrong here. People say they can see it but others I ask say they cannot. I can see First land that is by Anshe and others though with no problem.

Hi Foucault

Be patient, it seems the Lindens occasionally lag behind with the first land supply for a day or two. You are doing nothing wrong.

Don't be seduced by any private offers. There is a big dispute raging, with a private landowner currently defying the Lindens by placing the adverts you see through a software "exploit" which The Lindens have pledged to remove at the next software update, precisely to protect people like yourself from being misled. These private offers appeared for the first time only a couple of days ago, and will hopefully soon be removed.

Just wait. A whole new batch of genuine first land (called "land for the landless" and shown under the "First Land" dropdown selector) should appear today or tomorrow, and if you're ready you can take your pick of the best plot.

By a coincidence, I just started a thread on exactly this, which may explain more.
To read it, click on
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They usually put out a dozen pieces a day. Not ever single piece in every batch gets listed, howeve. I'm looking in the new areas right now, and don't see any, it maybe is gone. Wait until tomorrow, they will likely have more.

Anshe also provides a good deal, better in some ways.

This is one newbie to another - I'd never so much as heard of Second Life a month ago, and this is my first ever post on this forum. I just bought my first land earlier this week, and I deliberately waited for a decent new batch to come up. The week before there were a few days when none, apparently, was available at all. I held off paying for premium membership because of that, prevaricating slightly (I still wasn't sure whether I wanted to let this game take over my life!). As soon as I took the plunge, all of the decent plots I'd looked at the day before had already gone. What was left were awkwardly situated, and I reasoned that if I waited for LL to parcel up some more I'd find something better.

I'm telling this story partly to encourage the OP that something will come up soon, but also to make the point that it doesn't take long to get a grasp of how the land system here works. Half an evening's research across various websites and this forum is quite enough to become informed. I saw at once that some people were theming and leasing private islands, and even visited a couple in game (you say in world? ). They were pretty, but I decided that 'really' owning a small piece of virtual land was part of the attraction of SL for me - and besides, since I don't yet know how to put one brick on top of another, I would hardly be up to building something attractive enough to enhance the themed areas. I needed somewhere to mess about for a bit.

So, apropos the debate about whether the big landowners should be targetting newbies with special offers - I'm not anything like well up enough on the political background here to weigh into that evidently controversial debate with an informed opinion, but I would like to say that I don't think people new to the game are unable to comprehend the nature of the offer.

What are you trying to say with this final point, Clarissa ? You appear to be giving support to those who claim there is no need for us to agitate here for these private offers to be carefully separated, and suitable health warnings ensured.

Is that your intention ? To give support to that side of the argument ?

Dont you see that this is like saying "I can clearly see the dangerous quarry. I won't fall in. I see no need for all these warning signs you insist on putting up." And then admitting you just spent hours reading those very warning signs before posting ?

Don't you see that you PROVE the value of our objecting in forum, rather than the opposite?

Some other points you might like to consider:

A little more research will show you that about 90% of players never come to the forums at all (I've never researched it myself, but that is the generally quoted figure, and it seems perfectly likely). So 90% of newbies will not read the extensive pages of warnings and discussion you have read.

How do you know you fully understand all the implications? We cannot know that we do not know what we do not know. Frankly, if you do, you are an exceptionally bright individual.

The need to protect vulnerable minorities is never obviated by the appearance of one individual who says "I did not need protection". Every lion is an animal, but not every animal is a lion. Even if only 1 in 6 is in danger of being misled, that's about 10 a day.

Do you really believe that you would be as well informed as you are if none of us had spoken up against these practices in forum, and you had found none of these threads on the topic ?

I don't think so.

Geez, nothing will stop Lindar in his crusade to style himself as protector of mankind and Friend to Noobz. It's extraordinary. Even when a genuine newb comes on the forums -- overcoming all the gauntlets one must run through the forum-hazing system to do so -- it's never enough.



That's all pretty straightforward. And it tells you all you need to know about the people coming into this game. They are smart, they research, they figure it out, they get it. Most of them buy first land they are more or less happy with, then sell it at a profit, then move on to something larger.

A few are clueless and make mistakes and don't get it. But then they right themselves after awhile. And there are plenty of people who will help them if they do make some mistake or have a hard time.

The game can be very hard and harsh in places, but first land isn't really THAT complicated. What's annoying and complicated are the busybodies who want to get in your face to "set you straight" about other players based on their own hidden and not-so-hidden agendas.

It's possible that some people new to the game may find the attitude in this post from another thread to be a bit patronizing and insulting to their ability to research and make knowledgeable decisions.

That's perfectly possible, particularly since its only "some" people.

So what? What about the others ?

"Some" "may" be pleased someone is concerned for the interests. Even a few is enough to make it worthwhile.

Not a very positive or on-topic contribution, I'm afraid. Why do at least 50% of the posts I see from you seem to be about the style of other people's posting, rather than about the actual topic being discussed. I've seen you contribute to the derailling of threads before, I'm afraid, often by complaining about much smaller earlier derailments, and peppered with much more patronising than I am guilty of. Want some quotes ? Start a separate thread and I'll give you some will make you squirm if you have any shame.

Damn it, no I won't. You see ? You've done it again. You've started a conversation about the conversation, instead of joining in on topic. Can't you see how it happens ?

Just a minute. Your quote wasn't even from this thread. Have you lost the plot ?

Previous post deleted. On reflection, I think it better I don't reply to this at all.

I bought L$ and several chunks of land from Anshe and had no problems

omg, daz, please don't misunderstand.

No-one has suggested that Anshe is unreliable and should not be trusted. You may get that impression if you come in halfway through a thread.

We are arguing some wider issues, relating to special land, being offered by a number of people in private sims. Nothing to do with Anshe's substantial mainland sales.

And some of us are unhappy about how these special deals are being advertised, which is almost entirely about Anshe.

I thought it was important enough, I (and a few others) tried my hardest to pressure Anshe into desisting, and to pressure LL into intervening. Failure on both counts I'm afraid. That's life.

But this situation, and hopefully this disagreement, is strictly temporary and will soon be sorted out in a new patch.

Please don't get the wrong end of the stick. I for one have been agitating in forum to try to get someone to stop doing something I feel is wrong, but not everyone agrees with me. And the Lindens are partly at fault for telling one person to desist, yet apparently letting another continue.

Thats all.