Where has all the First Land gone?

Is this normal? I've never seen less than 10 or 15 plots to choose from before. Tonight there is just ONE. But a whole window of Anshe's leases/rentals entered under Land Sales, and targetted at Newbies.

What are newbies looking for first land to do? Fight each other? Is there a POLICY to drive them to Anshe? WTHeck is going on ?

Uh, Lindar, get a grip, dude. Nobody stole your cheese.

There is first land put out every day practically. This morning there were 12-14 pieces of it. By the end of the day, there is one. I don't know what time zone you are on, but today, just like yesterday, just like the day before, there were 12 pieces of first land.

What is listed there, btw, isn't always everything. I have found from helping people look for it that sometimes, only one piece out of a grouping is put up on the land list, but there's more out there next to it in that same sim.

So what are newbies supposed to do? They wait until tomorrow. They exercise a little patience.

A few weeks ago, the Lindens dumped out 100 or more first lands in a big batch. They did this before they opened the new continent. Not sure why. Maybe because the game is growing and demand is higher, or maybe they wanted to shake loose oldbies making alts or something, or they wanted to bottom out the first-land first buyout market, who the hell knows.

The point is, like all things related to land, the Lindens make more when they need to.

There might have been one night when there was no first land, like you are seeing now, and further panicking about there being "none" although there was plenty the next day.

Um, there's no policy to "drive" newbies to Anshe. They hvae their own list that gets used up.

The Lindens themselves accepted Anshe's money for these sims and have no call to "discpline" them.

Yeah, I've seen first land run out long before Anshe's first land deal.

Ah well, I suppose in view of natural fluctuations in demand, and the delay in turning the supply tap, it must happen now and again. Bit unfortunate, though. Glad to learn nothing unusual is going on at the Linden end, Chris.

First land is being seriously gamed tho, ALTS are being made to pick this up. All too often I am seeing the same couple of names on land where first land once was.

Hiro, I thought there was a limit on the number of alts we could have??? You mean somebody is always making more???

There is a limit of five accounts per credit card. There is no limit on the number of credit card numbers a person can use to create accounts.

I see first land being gamed to some extent, but not "seriously" gamed. I see the same names often on formerly first-land, sometimes without even changing that title "First Land" because it is the same few names going around and buying up first land from newbies.

That's not necessarily a rip-off, but a service -- first land is not really worth much by itself
because of griefing, ugly builds, bad location, etc. Only when it is strung together in larger parcels does it become more sensible and worthwhile for someone to buy it.

To be sure, newbies shouldn't be pressured into selling the land for anything but the price they wish to put on it. They do need to be realistic, however. In most places, putting $5120 on a first-land is silly; $10000 is pointless and only wastes you time you could have spent making a sale.

Some first land in some areas isn't worth much more than $1500 or so, if in snow, PG, near ugly build, etc.

It's not worth buying extra accounts to pick up first land. The expense is too great, given that you need a $9.95 per premium account. Frankly, I think that puts a natural limit on alt farming. Who is going to bother even getting bunches of annualized accounts for $6/month just to go poke around in first-land patches in Purina? Honestly, look at what's out there. Whatever profit they make is lost in all this churning and these credit card transactions.

It makes much more sense to buy Lindens on GOM or other sites, then buy first land from newbies directly -- despite all the hysteria on this subject whipped up on the forums, most newbies are only to happy, and only to informed, and make a good deal, and both parties are hpapy. Many figure out the pricing and sell it and get going in the game. First land sales are usually a good experience for newbies, not a bad one, which is the "urban legend".

In fact, I'm willing to bet, based on my own experience and seeing the straw poll here and talking to people, that the overwhelming majority of new lands are sold by new individuals, not alts, and sold at a handy profit, not any kind of forced sale, and help the player move on to the next larger parcel, and tiering up. So it's all good.

The efforts to portray it otherwise are part of the anti-land baron and anti-business climate rampant in the game. This rumour-mongering is also part of the metagame ratings gaming, where some land barons try to position themselves as being "good and selfless unlike those other bad barons".

... for a price lower than they'd normally get to someone named "Prokofy" who is far worse of a land baron than Anshe because he just sweeps in, convinces noobs to sell at a reduced margin, then cleans up with the remainder of the difference between starter price and going rate.


For you, of course.


Oh, of COURSE! Anyone who'd suggest other than that your business habits are totally ethical and kind-spirited are FIC anti-everything-good BS, right?

a couple of months ago there was a thread about how Linden had dumped SO MUCH first land on the market that land values were sure to crash.

I went looking for the thread but couldn't find it.

Um, could you bring forward someone who actually has the experience of selling land to me for *less* than what they could get on the market? I don't think you'll find anyone in that position. Ask the people renting from me now, or donating tier, they are fine with the price they got.

I am not somebody who "sweeps in" or "swoops down" or anything of the sort.

I am not in the first land buy business such that I swoop and sweep around newbies LOL.

I am in the rentals business, and occasionally I buy land from newbies. They are welcome to put it out and sell it to anybody, not me, and the often do LOL.

Honestly, Hiro, I don't know where in your fevered imagination you get this image of me swooping -- except form Traxx's tripe, which *is* just tripe, bringing forth a fake witness, etc. who in fact never sold me anything, and even prevented me from selling land I had purchsed from that shy and wilting newbie first-lander Anshe Chung, by putting a board over my land. That "victim of Prok" today has 5k for sale which she amassed from using hard-sell practices herself, including on one of my customers. So, honestly, look at the facts.

I would say that of the pieces of first land that I have purchased, most of them I've had to take a loss on. Because it was more valuable to me to have the tier in my group than to hang on to a piece of doggy first land somewhere that might never sell, and if it did, for not very much.

I imagine the Lindens have the means to pull up all of one's land transactions, so let them. Let them examine them in my accounts. They'll find nothing amiss. Why don't you file a complaint with your allegations and see if they hold any merit? They don't, I assure you.

There's now loads of first land out again. I counted dozens.

From your own mouth in another thread.


It's not a matter of breaking rules, it's a matter of taking advantage of new players. Is it against the TOS? Eh... technically no. But neither is what you accuse the "FIC" of doing.

Bottom line... if you're going to land baron, please stop the "Uh, Lindar, get a grip, dude. Nobody stole your cheese." sanctimonious crap with the people just concerned with making sure newbies have their land. K?

And where is that? LOL. Don't see it.




Where have I taken advantage of new players?



Um, Lindar has been posting hysterical, misinformed stuff. Nobody has been cheated by Anshe or Nexus, the people making the offerings of deeded land on private islands. BTW, i"m not one of those people offering deed land on private islands. I don't own any private islands, k? kthx hon.

Is this a discussion about offering "starter land" on private islands? Or a discussion about buying people's first land? Which is it Hiro? You think if you move the goal posts around all the time and play three-card monte with the thread topic that you can evade the fact that what you've posted about me is tripe.

I sure as hell don't give Lindar or anyone a pass for publishing scare-mongering, misleading tripe. I don't see that any newbies were harmed by the recent ads of Nexus and Anshe, I continue to disagree heartily with the way you and others have portrayed this, and I will continue to challenge you to come up with a single case of anyone who has bought something they didn't understand against their will.

Once again, from visiting some of these parcels last night, I see only happy newbies.

We're going through this again? It's fraud regardless of whether or not you've got a victim. Here in the US, we try to prosecute people who engage in fraud BEFORE they victimize someone. Especially when the incident is such a textbook case that even a two year old child with a couple episodes of The Practice under his belt could argue the case and win. Drop the sanctimonious crap. It's fraud. Plain and simple.

Of course, American justice is irrelevant to a Stalinesque Russophile, right?

Prokofy Neva

I just want to say thank you for the heads up about the land. I was at work and seeing that post yesturday helped inform me. Also your previously mentioned fact aht not all first land is reported at once is correct. where I got mine they advertised 2 and there was at least ten if not more as the etnire sim was empty and untouched.

Thank you Foucault, I'm glad you found the list, and used that tip. Of course "empty and untouched" is a relative concept in SL, and lasts, oh, about five minutes LOL.

Someone asked me to appraise their first land today, and I saw that it was "recycled" first land. That is, the Lindens took land on an old sim, and recycled it into first land after reclaiming it.

Such recycled land has its pluses and minuses.

The plus is that land in an old, established sim is land where you can see what's happening. You see if there is already junk in the air, spinning crap and bad builds (this first land in an established sim had all of the above.)

Whereas in a pristine forest, you think it will be pretty, but in 7 days it will have junk in the air, spinning crap, and bad builds LOL. So plan accordingly.

Use ctr-shift-1 to see what the sim FPS is and how many scripted objects there are. This is a number that can tell you a lot about real estate. A frames-per-second rate of less than 1000 can be a problem, certainly less than 500-600, and you will already feel it in having your game not stream as fast and your av not move around as fast and as smoothly.

Scripted objects more than 300 -- especially more than 500 -- could be a sign that a script-happy moron will be lagging your sim.

Certain oldbies and Lindens will argue endlessly with you and tell you the FPS and the scripted objects numbers are not reflective of virtuality, can only tell you so much, don't really mean that much, etc.

They should try living on a sim with 500 FPS and 500 scripted objects then get back to us.

You're buying real estate, so you can accept my real estate advice or not about FPS and scripted objects. If you want to argue about tekkie stuff and split hairs, do that, but if you care about the land you're about to buy, think twice.

Well it's in new contient right on the edge of sim border so no neighbors on one side. Only two houses (I haven't decided to keep or sell) so it looks pretty go so far but will have to do that tonight with teh FPS check.

ANSHE CHUNG is buying up SL! What a selfish money grubber!! She is buying up TONS of auction land and selling to newbies as first land. I checked the completed land auctions, and its hard to find one without her name. BUT for those who beat out her bids CONGRATULATIONS! GREAT SUCCESS!
Anshe, get over yourself. Dont you have enough already? Find soemthing else to do. Do something good for someone besides getting rich off of land sales. I'm BANNING you from my land. And if i ever run into you, i'll be more than happy to rate you negatively.
I do so many things for other people. I teach them, not steal from them.
ANSHE, You give SL land purchasing a BAD NAME!
LINDENS: Cap this out of control person!

That sounds promising. The new continent sims seem to have pretty good FPS from what I've seen. Of course that number alone can't tell you everything you need to know -- it is merely a quick rule of thumb. Read the long but informative thread in "Technology" by Wayfarer Wishbringer with lots of long replies by Lee Linden if you really want to eat a dog on this subject.

If only two houses so far and not ugly, well, it probably won't get better than that so maybe don't be in such a hurry to leave, but keep in mind that resale can take 30 days or more, depending on various factors of location, type, proximity to Linden land etc.

The attitude you have as a new player is one that many, many people have had before you, and they've come and come, and Anshe has stayed. That's the reality.

The first thing to realize about Anshe is that she buys up the land *because she can*. And no, the Lindens are not going to stop her from doing that.

Anyone else is welcome to come and buy land too on the auction, it's just many remain afraid and uneducated about it and get intimidated by seeing the same names there time after time.

In fact, I've bid against Anshe and won land I've wanted, and have gotten it sometimes for a mere $5 more than she bid. She usually has a strict formula/margin, it seems, and won't go over it.

Bidding on the auctions isn't easy and is not for the faint-hearted because people can ruthlessly bid up land there, but it's worth trying, keeping in mind a budget.

Banning Anshe from your land will have no effect on her.

You can't ask the Lindens to put a cap on her activity because then they would not have a free market. If they artificially restrained any one in their freedom, the land would be a socialist collective commune type of operation with the allocation of land, not a real free economy where anyone can have access.

Land has value, and people pay for it. Anshe has gotten where she is not only by buying on the auction, but by buying from people in world when they needed to sell out.

The only way to create an alternative to Anshe and other "oligarches" is to go out there and work hard at your level, buy your own land on the auction, buy it in world, and make your own game. That's what I do.

In doing so, I don't claim that she "steals" from me because that would be an artificial concept. It would imply each time someone buys land, they take it away from someone else, that each person's success is somebody else's failure. That implies falsely that there's scarcity. But that's not true. The Lindens keep rolling out new land, some of it looking identical to what they already had in the old land.

It's very easy to play this game and have nothing to do with Anshe Chung. There are other land barons and not all land for sale by any stretch of the imagination is owned or for sale by her. Fly around the world and you'll see a fairly brisk competition. If you obsess with hatred and vengeance about this state of affairs, you'll waste your energy.

Many people who think I do that are entirely misled, in fact, precisely because I spend a lot of time in the world doing something positive.

I am not obsessively hating Anshe Chung. I just think she needs to get over herself. She's obsessed with land sales. Renting? What a joke! And to hear her say she owns the land she bought in several of her postings. She has no more rights than anyone else on the mainland. Private sims are a different story. Different rules apply, and she needs to read them. Why complicate something so simple. Sell/Buy. Rent is for robbing people. New players are so much more gullible, and that is her target audience.
Auctions not for the faint of heart? I have bought land at auctions, as well as privately sold land. Either one is not a big deal. And I am not NEW to the game either. I also know that there are other land marketers out there. But she really takes the cake for being rediculous. I still cheer for anyone who out bids her in auctions. She's out of control. If you think she's doing a good thing for people, you may be entirely mislead.
If I want to ban her from my land, that is my decision. Does not matter if you think it effects her or not. Your comments were duely noted. You need not reply.

Er . . . I don't think rent is for robbing people.

Just like in the real world, there are many advantages to owning over renting. But just like in the real world, there are a lot of people who either can't own or would rather rent than own, for a variety of reasons.

As long as the renter isn't being gouged, the renting arrangement is beneficial for both renter and landlord.

coco

Newbies are looking for land to do the same thing as everyone else. They want what they are paying for and expand, learn, creation: shops, homes, and etc. 512 parcels of First Land is not much but, is fitted size for us that are just starting out to build a home. So no, we don't "fight eachother". Just because we are newbies does not mean we don't want the land usage we are paying for or small land to build on.

Not to mention.. If there were no First Land deals, newbies would not get to buy land or have to pay outrageous prices from land logs. That would mean, newbies would be paying for land usage but, spend most of their time saving up L$ or buying L$ to buy 512mb land. I think it was a great idea for LL to offer first land . Yes, another comment about newbies "fighting eachother"- as if, we don't deserve land or have no use or need for it.