Just my thought... To stop Land Extortion...

Chris Wilde,

You know. I'll admit that is a good point. And it's one I thought about. The one thing is though. I'm in world a lot. And while the option to set all my land to me for sale may in fact be good for me. Not everyone has the time to do that or may even want to. I can't even say if I'd want to do that. I know that anyone could buy it then just set it back up for resale. But, once they have bought it. The ban list is still there until they remove it. So they too could see who I banned. How hard would it then be for them to IM me? And maybe ask me why so and so was/is banned from the property. Then too maybe LL can allow us to put reasons for persons being banned? Then when they try to enter they get a note telling not only that they are banned but WHY they are. And, that would also be shown when someone that isn't banned buys the property so that they can then make an informed decision.

By the way. Thanks to everyone that is helping me get more opinons on this and not trying to start a crazy war type contest over this as has been done a few times. I knew there were good people here in SL that can calmly discuss such issues as this. I thank each and everyone of you that are trying to do just that. THANK YOU ALL

Yes, I agree wholeheartedly. I'm amazed and heartened by the lack of flaming considering the passions this issue has raised on both sides. How many threads.... And none closed by Jeska?

Approximately 75.

I did not see such a proposal in the propositions, so I have submitted it. It is now Proposition 1032. I liked proposition 905 as a "secondary solution". But this proposal actually calls for an option to extend muting to objects of muted residents (not just textures). Muting would be done by the client software, so it would not affect the servers.

I would strongly oppose any action banning users for exercising freedom of speech. But freedom of speech does NOT guarantee that people will listen, or be forced to listen.

[edit: scuse me, I decided to edit this lengthy post. I really don't feel like conducting any more forum crusades at this time, so I'm going to put it simply here:]

Stop dealing with the symptoms and cut to the disease. There are two reasons these land extortions are happening:

1) The person who does it
2) Linden Lab for allowing him to do so and giving users absolutely no recourse in dealing with such people.

They have their reasons. You have your reasons. What would you do in RL if you wanted to stop a problem? Start a phone campaign? Write letters? Boycott a business? Yes, all this and more.

So rather than complaining about this in the forums, start getting creative and do something. Linden Lab obviously is not going to correct this problem voluntarily. They have received NUMEROUS abuse reports and apparently prefer to honor this one person's "rights" to harass other people than honor the rights of hundreds of others who are royally ticked at this person. So if the company won't listen, then it's up to you, as customers, to take steps to get them to listen.

If not, you have three choices:

1) Sell your land and move elsewhere
2) Abandon your land and cut your tier and send LL a letter telling them why
3) Put up with the garbage

There is power in numbers. So use your brains and your community and deal with this problem. Stop attacking the symptoms. Cut to the disease. The disease in this case is the abusive self-centered user and Linden Lab policies. So pull out the scalpel and get busy.

Oh, for those who didn't want to read all of the above, here's another, quick way to do the same thing:

Sell or revert your land near the offensive user, lower your tier (be sure to go to the website and lower your tier or of course, you'll be paying for land you don't own) and WRITE a letter to Philip Linden telling him why you'll no longer be purchasing land from Second Life.

If you really don't like what a company is doing... stop giving that company your money. Nothing catches attention faster. Then when they fix the problem, feel free to re-purchase and resettle. I mean, it's virtual land. It's imaginary. And obviously.. the current neighborhood isn't so good. So get rid of it, let them know why, feel free to rebuy when they do the right thing. Pretty effective way of making your voice known... especially if you get a lot of others to join you at the same time.

BTW, now that I think about it.. has anyone thought about simply putting the matter up for VOTE (not here in the forums... in the FEATURE VOTE board)... and seeing how many hundreds of votes you get to remove this person's extortion tactics? That might be a start.

I do support my soldiers. I support bringing them home RIGHT NOW. I do -not- support the president shrub.

Did I mention I work with one of the marines that actually found Jessica Lynch? Only the army wanted to airlift her out instea dof letting the marines medlift her, the marines got he rout of the hospital. Even seen a picture of him taking a crap on one of Saddam's toilets reading a Maxim.. didn't make off with the solid gold 'genie' style lamp though.

Oh yeah..and he supports my stance.

This is why we need a jail system... confine people to a jail sim, time served is time played in jail. yea it sucks but probations don't seem to work, perhaps a little time will.

You can be the first one in that jail system, for say 6 months, Tal.

That way we can be sure its working as intended..

Anyone who wants to propose an idea should be willing to live with it themselves first.

Edit: We don't NEED a jail system. You just WANT one.

Sure, why not. Hell I might just learn to love it there. It was a comment smart ass, don't take it so personal.

Edit: Meow, angry troll!

And proud of it!

I'm gonna pistol whip the next one who say shenanigans

Mmmm....shenanigans

The Real Reason these signs exist!!!!

is because we allow them to exist.....these signs feed off of our energy, our complaints, our hard earned $L. I am as much anti Bush as the guy who created these signs. These signs dont bother me and I've got them right beside my home....3 signs on one 16 meter plot!! And the biggest reason these signs are there is because this guy is getting rich off of them. Right now you can go find any Impeach Bush sign and right click the land and click about land and you'll see that the lot is up for sale. Of course the description on these lots says "DONT BUY this land" (subliminal messages to buy the land??) and a 16 meter impeach bush plot sells for an average 40k to 45k. We are lining this guys very own pockets by buying these plots from him at outrageous prices in hopes that we can get rid of these signs. the more people that buy these 16 meter plots at outrageous prices the more land this guy can afford to buy. He doesnt even have to pay tier fees with the prices hes making off of us. The first thing we should do is stop supporting his land spamming by not paying for his habits. If he has to pay 195 a month or even more (not sure how much land he owns) out of his own pocket, how long do you think these signs and plots will stay unsold with these signs on them???? This man has learned how to make a fortune in SL using YOUR lindens. STOP buying his land in order to get rid of these signs we are only funding his spamming each and every time we do this. Make him pay the costs to keep these signs in place instead of you paying for them to stay there.


I came up with a 5 minute simple solution for these signs at my land. I created land murals with scenery textures used to give me a nice pleasant view of my land. I have even sold several of these murals at slexchange. a 20x30 meter mural only takes 6 prims, a 30x30 meter mural only takes 9 prims and can affectively cover any of his signs. A 30x30 meter land mural will go all the way from corner to corner of a 1024 meter plot. Now if enough of us got together and put murals around the borders of our land we could affectively enclose all 4 sides of his property and block out each and every sign he owns. This wouldn't be a violation of TOS because we are allowed to build as we wish on our own property just as he has done correct? (within reasons...I.E. PG and Mature ratings, no copyright infringement, etc) And as stated in one of the posts above, you could make these murals or backdrops phantom so that they do not hinder flight or others objects. We can make bigger murals for bigger lots also or link them together if needed. I have a lovely view all around my lot and these signs are right next door to me. If anyone needs help creating or finding a land mural or scenery backdrop let me know in game any evening and I will help....


And last but not least.....we have to stop giving this guy so much credit, each and every time we complain, post, report, bitch, whine, cry, pay for, etc, etc, etc about these signs we are only feuling the fire that these signs have created. put up a backdrop and forget they are there and they will go away in time. Stop lining his pockets with outrageous land prices, stop putting him in the spotlight, and start doing something creative to turn the tables in your favor of land spammers!!! Then and only then will we see changes with these signs. Maybe if he can't see his land to create an object on it because of all the land murals bordering his property he will stop and think about how it is to have to live with neighbors. He will be the one complaining and doing the reporting then, but ya know what? if these items are on our property and not against TOS then there is nothing he can do but start buying bigger lots so that he can see what hes doing on them?? Make him pay us back by putting more cash into these bigger lots and youll see him owning alot fewer lots, it shouldn't be too hard to cover a 16 square meter plot on all 4 sides if enough people get together?

We are all part of a community and at times we have to create disharmony in order to bring the harmony back in the community!

oh and by the way..........."IMPEACH BUSH"!!!!!!

Also, to be neighborly, it's a good idea to texture the back and inner edges of the mural with clear alpha textures so that your neighbors on the other side of your mural can see through it.

So the truth comes out? When anybody exercises freedom of
speech, they get pistol whipped.

j-o-k-e

Look it up some time

On a side note to the 'ugly blue signs' I just put up mocking signs.

if you can stop sounds from playing, or scripts from running, then I think you should be able to flag certain objects as not being rendered for a camera inside your land.

If the land is intended not to be bought ('Don't buy this land'), what the hell is it doing in the land sales list???