Time to connect dreamland and hiroland to the mainland

Connect AnsheLand and HiroLand (and whoever else) to the mainland and create full renting / zoning capabilities on main gridland, similar to what they're doing right now on the islands.


This is the proper evolution that will bring happiness to everyone:

- customers will be happy because Anshe / Hiro do superior land scaping / zoning than LL does
- Anshe, Hiro, and other customers will be happy because you're treating people who invest in you with respect
- You'll be happy because more people will be attracted to SL because the builds will improve (more thematic, better looking).

It's all coming together, but you need to take the leap of faith.

Don't let it fall apart just because you feel you have to hang on to status quo (ie: purina land).

False.

If we let AnsheLand and HiroLand onto the grid, then we must let EVERYONE onto the grid. Which would be bad (considering these islands change hands -- and shapes -- on a daily basis, even locations, I don't think it'd be prudent to have these connected to the main continents).

LF

The fact is, people are leaving the mainland for their own islands (looked at the map lately?)

Pretty soon, the mainland will just become a repository for purina type builds.

If LL is looking to migrate to a discontigous world, then yes, this is a possibility.

In fact, that is a distinct possibility. Lots of small sub continents. Why not? People teleport if something is further than a certain distance .. so why do we even need a continous mainland? In someways, we already *have* a discontinous mainland.

OK I will buy that as an alternative.

Ok, in partition world then, LL should break up the mainland into pieces and hand them off to people who want to buy and maintain them as if they were islands.

Or ... we could just leave the land masses as they are ...

maybe even wait to see what happens in the next couple of months.

The mainland is a dogs breakfast compared to the islands.

Something needs to be done.

Both Anshe and Hiro are showing they can do a better job of being LL than LL can.

LL can screw them over and ruin their business model, but that will

a) freak everyone out
b) ruin the only really good areas to build in SL

LL should not be in the business of landscaping or setting telehubs. They should hand that over like they have handed everything else over.

Island owners can do a better job of that then LL can. They've proven that.

So either connect them to the mainland, or if you don't want island owners attached to the mainland, then you'll have to start partitioning it into sub continents.

The mainland isn't broken. People build what they wish with land they own. Some have owned their land for two years or more while others are new. Some players like the diversity, some don't. Some like belonging to a larger grid where they can fly continuously over varied landscapes and builds. I thorougly enjoy my part of the mainland and see no reason why those who purchased islands need to have their islands merged to the mainland. They purchased them as islands and as such would have no expectations of being merged. Nor can we selectively pick who gets to merge their islands to the mainland and who doesn't. Leave people's purchased land alone. LL doesn't need to say for the sake of beautification we are going to make it all conform to various themes and include those islands we think are representative of what we wish to see. This would only serve to squash individuality and creativity. For those that don't like the mainland, I suggest they go buy or rent on an island instead.

Why?


Why? Didn't they just do something by changing the policies?



Doesn't Anshe have her own grid?


Where are the only good areas to build in? I've been playing about a year, have own various plots of land all over the grid, have been on projects of various sizes and have never worked on a private sim. I'm in the process of buying a private SIM for a RL research process, but I'm quite pleased that it's private for those purposes.

I'm not trying to be a pain. Land isn't my business. I'm just trying to get some insight on how the grid can better serve it's 34K citizens.

LOL

You know what? I have seen thread after thread get closed out because people were bashing other people on the forums. Is the bashing of Linden Labs any different? I think this one should be closed as well!

Have you completely lost your mind, and forgotten who created this amazing one of a kind game that you freely bash and put down?!?!? Linden Labs is an amazing company with an orginal one of a kind vision. They have given us more than we could ever dream of having in a MMORPG! But you continualy try to say that they are no good. Let me see you do anything even remotely close to what they are doing, and have to put up with all the whining and complaining they have to listen to from you people!

I give LL the highest of credit for what they do. All you worry about is how much money you can make from the game in RL. You know its true! You sit here trying to claim you want what is best for the people here in SL, but we all know that you all just want what puts more cash in your pocket! You want RL money? GET A RL JOB! Maybe most people here don't care where they live, or what the land looks like. its what they build that matters. I took 1/4 of a sim that looked baren and dingy, and turned it into a giant castle that fits beautifully with the landscape!

So get off your high horse, and realize that you are one of "THE PEOPLE" too. Nothing you do makes you any different than the rest of us. So stop bashing the company that made the game that makes you money. If you want a second life, you need to get a first life first!

I would never buy land from someone who bites the hand that feeds them, and looks out only for their personal gain. You are lucky I can't cuss you out in a forum.

As for LL, keep up the great work! This truely is a one of a kind game, and I give you the utmost credit for it.

I'll bump this in 4-5 months with an I told you so.

One of a 3 things has to happen:

a) LL has to kill the Anshe/Hiro business model, which I call the "nuclear" option
b) LL has to attach Anshe/Hiro to the mainland and everyone else who wants to
c) LL has to give people zoning/control over the mainland the likes of which they have over the islands (basically b in a different format)

Eventually, people will move away from purina and into zoned area. Purina land will be worth very little and have high vacancy rates until LL finally gets a clue and hands purina land over to zoning over lords.


I see c as the most likely. It's a shame they can't do b and c, but there could be technical reasons why not.

Can't ya'all call it Quesoland instead?

HQLand I like the sounda that!

I guess Ansheland and Quesoland (nod to Mr. Pendragon) are nice enough if you like that sort of thing, but nothing about them screams "this must be part of the mainland." To me anyway.

Or else what? We all "lose the game"?



Uh, why would they do that? What's their motivation? They get tier from Anshe/Hiro, just like everyone else.




Won't happen, for my reasons stated above.




It'd be nice, but it's not a matter of technical stuff, it's a matter of SL itself. People move every day. You're not going to have any say over what *I* build, thanks.




Um, were that true, then 90% of the people playing would be on these supposed utopias (which, with the exception of Gigas' residential areas, look worse than the main grid, if you ask me... terrible terraforming).

But wait! they aren't! Everyone's on the main grid! Imagine that!



I see nothing happening. The main grid will be bigger and have a higher population than all the private islands combined in 6 months. You can quote me on that.

LF

If'n I were LL, we would scrap plan b because I don't understand at all what that would accomplish. Then we'd avoid plan a by accomodating the A/H model with every incentive and feature we could afford to offer with the goal of encouraging people to abandon the mainland.

Plan c would be slowly implemented as we recovered entire sims of released land. In fact, we would subversively purchase land with very tight security on our methodology to avoid the problems of inflation and perceived favouritism. Fully recovered sims would be auctioned, or just plainly sold, to people with full estate features.

One thing we would have to implement ASAP would be the ability to rent land to people through what is now the land purchasing interface. Once someone "bought" land, they'd retain "ownership" of it for the duration of the lease. The only difference would be that the if the leasee didn't renew the lease, "ownership" would return to the sim "owner" rather than LL.

The biggest hurdle we'd have to overcome would be sim "owners" downsizing and releasing sims. We would then have to landlord those regions, just as we currently do the mainland, until they were leased to a new "owners." That's assuming we took on (retained) that responsibility for what used to be classified as mainland sims.

Still, a sim would be the least amount of land anyone could actually lease from us; we would merely act as a hosting company while the residents actually built the world infrastructure and all; and we could concentrate on software development and, possibly, some of those original hardware systems development ideas we had back in the day.

Now, If'n I were Lordfly...

SL is practically a clone of Active Worlds, which has been around for a decade. What I find surprising is that VR worlds have actually been quite stagnant in all that time.

Really? Last I saw AW was using sub-1995 technology, although it has two things that SL is lacking: customizable text signs and a near-infinite landscape. Although, their landscape is uniformly flat... and no one's ever in there...



LF

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." - Albert Einstein

And happy 2,000th post LF.

My question is why? I like owning my own land. As much as I trust Anshe (sorry Hiro, I just have never done business with you), I really don't want to rent my land. At one time was not the main land a really small clump of servers... about the size of Anshe's Land? As her business grows, will not her "islands" grow too? Saying we must joint the lands is like saying we must joint the Americas with the rest of the world.

Also, one another note, most, if not all, the player run places have very strict rules about things like no clubs, casinos, and other such places. What if I WANT to build one of these things? Where do I go then?

It seems to me blaze, that you are projecting what you think is the best solution for what you see as broken. I see nothing broken, therefore nothing needs to be fixed.

I second the notion. I'll bump in 6 months for an I told ya so

Zoning...overlords...

Maybe this is just me, but I'd rather be horrified on a daily basis by neighbors' ugly experiments than pay for a zoning overlord to tell me what to build.

I think there will always be a choice between zoning and the grid, which is as it should be.

I find this quite funny, as AW was the first game of this kind that I had played!
AW is severely lacking in technology though, and you can't buy and sell items like SL. also, you can't really create anything! its all "Lets go to the object yards and find the source code to rez a door or a wall! if you want to "Create anything," you have to buy into it all which can really get expensive. I challenge anyone to visit Active Worlds, and even remotely claim that it is the base for SL. SL took MMORPG to an unheard of level with what you can do with even a basic account with an enormous economy in the game!

So I really do find it funny that you compare SL to AW. Actually, you may still find one of my builds in AW from 8 years ago. stuff just never seems to get deleted in there, and you have a hodge podge of junk scattering an endless landscape of flat nothingness. LOLOLOL ROFLMAO

I'm sure no one in LL had ever even heard of AW, and any resemblance is purely coincidental.

Except for the interface, concept and general appearance of just about everything, SL and AW bear no resemblance at all.

Whatever.

Try not to LOLTYP.

No matter how primitive and completely worthless something might be, there are always going to be those who like it more.

Mmmm, well. I am not sure if attaching Dreamland to the mainland would be such good idea now. People could accidently end up in an unzoned sim and buy land there, not knowing they are outside Dreamland. There could also be lag issues from sim across the border, difficulties banning griefers etc.

Who said they liked one more than another? I responded to the "original... amazing... one of a kind" claims.