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I think we're saying the same thing - you are saying that it has benefits if you don't want to commit, I'm saying that rental is perfect for those that don't want to commit seriously to SL's land tier system.

Its all good, just jumping in there to point it out.

this sounds good for the rental card

When this is done can somebody please drop me the new note in-world? I have the old note in my newbie welcome kit and would like to replace that with the latest-greatest

StoneSelf does not have my support in this endeavor and doesn't have the support of others who a stake in the issue, he is just coercing this vanity project on the public under the guise of a "public service". I urge the Lindens not to distribute it, and I urge people to look for alternatives.

you don't support anything, but good thing i don't need your permission to do anything.

who are these other people you mention? if they would speak up, i'd try to address their concerns.

i'm not coercing anything. if you write your own card and give it to the lindens maybe they will distribute it. instead about complaining all the time, why not do something.

talk is cheap.

Prokofy, can you say why you don't support this? You haven't in this thread, other than to accuse Stoneself of having a bad attitude.

Seth, I've already written reams about how there are two basic biases built into these cards they're doing:

1. "Buyer Beware Fronted" -- too much excessive fear-mongering, and a lurking kind of hatred of land barons as "scammers" and not enough empowerment of the new person as a holder of a fantastic privilege which will help him propel his game forward.

2. "You Don't Need Land to Have Fun" fronted -- too much heavy ideological bias of the tekkie wiki sort geared toward sandboxing, goofing around, hanging at friends, scripting, making content etc as distinct from home-making.

There's lots more and I'd suggest you just read my card to get the idea -- I give really practical advice for actual situations, not ideological bias.



Yeah, good thing I don't have to ask your permission, either!



The 95 percent of the people who don't read the forums LOL?



Um, I did that lol? I put my card out *first*. I put out "old advice" -- and subjected it to a critique. You picked it up and updated it, rushing to finish to beat others and "be first".

But -- hilariously -- I had already made a card, called "new advice" -- go look at it. It's long, because land and tier and stuff is complicated, and I answer all the real questions I get in-world from a real business doing this, unlike a pontification center, which is what you're doing.

You didn't bother to read my extensive, throughou, well-thought out, detailed card, though you described yourself as being in the business of a "public service" to update the card.

Shame on you!

P.S. Yeah, I gave my card to Lindens, but they aren't likely to hand out my longer card, and a card of a new person and a controversial person, they're likely to stick to their tried-and-true FIC folx. That doesn't bother me, I've done my duty. My advice comes as part of a card called GETTING STARTED IN SL which is an important alternative and antidote to Kex Godel's card, because it is geared more toward the non-tekkie and especially those coming from TSO. I don't know how Lindens decide how to hand out cards, but you know what? I don't care. I've pretty much gotten along without Lindens in doing my business and my "public services" and I think probably that would be the best thing for most people in a game that is supposed to be about player-based content, not about nannies.

i did read your overly long notecard.

i'm not in the business of anything. i just do what i do.

did you talk that 95% for your card? that must invalidate your card, too.

i do speak to people not on the forums.

i don't try to speak for them... like you seem to do.

Um, I don't have to talk to 95 percent of 27,000 people, "Your Grace."

I do have hundreds of customers I talk to. I guess that counts for something.


Bully for you.


I don't claim to speak for anybody or create "public service cards". That would only seem that way to you, because you resent anyone who challenges you on the forums and questions your pride of place.

stop playing the victim.

you aren't a challenge.

Jarod Godel: What do the Lindens think of the "techie/wiki" community? Or the Feted/Fetid Inner Core?
Robin Linden: I think it's an interesting myth.


if the don't give it out... it'll prolly be because it's too long.

you could put your notecard on the wiki page. that's more the scope for something as longwinded as you wrote.

Stop showing off.



If that's true, you don't need to answer my every post : )

Just coming back from the events group with Robin Linden, I have to say, I've had a brilliant idea.

Everyone bitches about the lack of diversity of events. Of course, there are reasons for that lack -- food for another thread. I think it's because the Lindens cave to a minority of anti-business clamouring, and lose the opportunity to get significant in-game resident business support and sponsorship for events because they fail to see that businesses need to place ads or products during events to justify their subsidy of especially non-profit events. When the Lindens can get over that allergy to advertising, they'll see a lot more businesss development and sponsorship and a lot more diversity and quality of events.

But since that cultural tic is going to take awhile to change, we have to work with what there is.

One of the problems is that people just don't know how to really access this education support grant from the Social Engineers at Linden Labs. Many people haven't heard of it because they don't read the forums, and they don't even know where to find this info on the forums. (I think it's somewhere in the Linden announcements?)

I was admonished for claiming that this, like other things, is an "insiders' deal".

OK. Let's see the list made public then. Just like the dwellopers. Let's see the list of people who get the educational grants.

I think this would accomplish a number of good things.

1. End the phony mentor events by subjecting them to public scrutiny, as has been done only a few times by a few very brave (or stupid) newbies who took on some privileged types in questioning their use of this system to plump up their own businesses, clubs, malls, etc.

2. Show a good example of those authentic mentors who really do offer something useful, i.e. in knowledge transfer for this game, with its steep learning climb. We'd like to see who those good people are, because their good deeds are often lost in the sea of Tringo.

3. Make a visible list of people that would-be events organizers could consult for tips and ideas about how to do the same thing themselves -- people often don't even know how to list themselves in FIND PLACES (because there's no where to tell you per se), and now that being in FINDPLACES will be one of the possible criteria for friends to be able to list events, we need to be able to have this kind of knowledge network. Of course, if any event hosts don't want to be dinged by newbs and clueless asking them how to do stuff, well, they could just ignore them or be curt with them...but...aren't they supposed to be *mentors*???

4. When we see how short this list is, and I suspect, how insider-y it is, there will be a lot of momentum for others to get out there and get on the ball to get these same grants. You do not have to be a mentor per se to get them. You just have to be a teacher in a class. I'll bet we could double the event grant applications by this simple act of publicizing the list of those who receive them.