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Ethen Pow
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Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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03-02-2006 22:45
I Wish there was a object that was an avatar that would be an A.I. that could be an tool for animions or games like Rpgs that need NPCs and Enemys with a Avatar look, or some A.I. that can move in and act like a person in a Mall or House.

I think this would be useful for most land owners,game makers or animators
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Zepp Zaftig
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Join date: 20 Mar 2005
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03-02-2006 23:52
I think:
1. There should be an avatar object that can be scripted to play animations etc.
2. People should be able to choose whatever object they want to use as their avatar, be it an avatar object or a Linden tree, just make the nametag show.
Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
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03-03-2006 07:06
You can have an avatar object, it costs US$10.00 and you can have up to 4 of them in addition to your primary account. In a way, the lack of avatar objects is a potentially good thing, since it means there is a possible market for "unskilled labor". Why don't you see if people who would otherwise be "camping" would be willing to hire out as bots?

:)

I wish you could upload a skeleton, mesh, and bounding box for your avatar. I understand why prims are limited (though I wish they supported CSG), but avatars are "rare" objects and the additional overhead would be small. You would be responsible for providing the animations for the uploaded avatar, and it would be reasonable to impose a significant upload charge to offset the transfer and storage cost, but think of the business opportunities!

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Draco18s Majestic
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03-03-2006 08:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
You can have an avatar object, it costs US$10.00 and you can have up to 4 of them in addition to your primary account. In a way, the lack of avatar objects is a potentially good thing, since it means there is a possible market for "unskilled labor". Why don't you see if people who would otherwise be "camping" would be willing to hire out as bots?


I think you failed to understand. An a.i. would not be able to trigger Sits (it's an object) or count towards traffic (it's an object) but could be scripted (like an object) and animated (like an avatar). It would have no nametag, but could you could SetText to mimic that. a.i. objects would not be unskilled labor by any fassion, they would be Bots for RPGs mostly.
Buying an alt is not the same as haivng a a.i. on your property. Why? BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A COMPUTER AND A HUMAN RUNNING IT.
Argent Stonecutter
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03-03-2006 09:23
From: Draco18s Majestic
I think you failed to understand.
No, I understood, I was being facetious. I guess I missed my sarcasm roll... what's my charisma again? Oh, right, -6 for being on the Internet. No wonder!
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Buying an alt is not the same as haivng a a.i. on your property. Why? BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A COMPUTER AND A HUMAN RUNNING IT.
Computers and humans running them are widely available for a few Lindens an hour.
Draco18s Majestic
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03-03-2006 11:21
From: Argent Stonecutter
No, I understood, I was being facetious. I guess I missed my sarcasm roll... what's my charisma again? Oh, right, -6 for being on the Internet. No wonder!
Computers and humans running them are widely available for a few Lindens an hour.


Well excuse me for thinking that if humor were food sarcasm would be deep fried rabit doots.
Bots would actually be a very useful object. If one wanted to run a D&D kind of RPG where would you find monsters? I doubt players would have an interest in standing around all the time, watching the screen and waiting for hours for the actual players to come along and kill them.
Argent Stonecutter
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03-03-2006 12:25
From: Draco18s Majestic
I doubt players would have an interest in standing around all the time, watching the screen and waiting for hours for the actual players to come along and kill them.
They don't have to watch the screen. You'd have them sit on a prim that would run the animations and move them, just like they were bots, and they'd run the same mousewiggler they currently use to keep themselves logged in while they're sitting on dance balls in camping holes for a few Lindens an hour.
Draco18s Majestic
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03-05-2006 00:42
From: Argent Stonecutter
They don't have to watch the screen. You'd have them sit on a prim that would run the animations and move them, just like they were bots, and they'd run the same mousewiggler they currently use to keep themselves logged in while they're sitting on dance balls in camping holes for a few Lindens an hour.


*Twitch*
What a waste of a computer.
You realise that a computer running Second Life is almost completely useless? With the same proccessing power of one computer running Second Life to give me a bot I could use probably a dozen "avatar objects." If not more. AND I wouldn't have to pay someone to sit there. AND people could run through the game 24/7 without needing to check with me to make sure that the 24 people I use as bots are online and sitting on their bot-balls.

As for the proposed avatar object, I would think that it doesn't--infact shouldn't--be as high a quality as an actual avtar. It merely needs to be a collection of bones that can use animations.
Of course, to that end, lets just create a bone object and have a hierarchy system.
Argent Stonecutter
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03-05-2006 05:22
From: Draco18s Majestic
What a waste of a computer.
That computer is going to be "wasted" anyway, it might as well be used to benefit your game.
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I wouldn't have to pay someone to sit there.
That's another reason that Linden Labs is unlikely to create avatar objects. Right now they're fighting with the need to create an alternative to "camping balls" for people who want the equivalent of a "burger flipping" job in Second Life. If people could be paid to sit on NPC-controllers instead that would give them one.
Draco18s Majestic
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03-06-2006 22:09
I doubt that kind of "job" would exist commonly anyhow. Regardless of an av. object or a person sitting there and getting paid. A.I. is nearly impossible to program. Esspecially with the various limits with LSL and script sizes (look at me, I'm arguing against myself now XD). I'll ask my room mate tomorrow how big his homework for his AI class is (code size). And he's doing simple sh*t--logic problem solving, no real iteligence yet, it's just a bunch of rules. Bot programming would be a giant series of very complex and amorphous rules made into code.

Personally, to get camping balls to go away we first need: unskilled labor (someone write an AI script, I dare you)
Two: "dance clubs" etc. that actually have atmosphere where people TALK to one another. The one place I knew got into the popular places this way and promptly became another camping dead zone (save at 8pm SLT when it's naked hour, 30+ people show up for that every night).
Three: nix the "traffic" thing for land. The giant dead camping zones of SL are all "popular" because of the way traffic works.
Torley Linden
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Join date: 15 Sep 2004
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03-06-2006 22:11
One thing I'd enjoy is being able to man a remote drone that could "see" for me so I could look into other regions without having to go there. This can roughly be approximated by running two copies of SL at once on dual accounts, but it's much too rough. Sort of an inworld webcam, if you will.
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Kurshie Muromachi
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03-07-2006 01:38
You should check out A.L.I.C.E. :) I think even if the sim/grid was reset A.L.I.C.E. retains his/her collected data. Aside from that though you can pretty much create an NPC if you know how to give it some A.I. Doesn't have to be human either. Atleast with an object it will still be in the sim if your net goes down :p
Argent Stonecutter
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03-07-2006 08:52
From: Draco18s Majestic
I doubt that kind of "job" would exist commonly anyhow. Regardless of an av. object or a person sitting there and getting paid. A.I. is nearly impossible to program.
Err, Draco, anything you can program your hypothetical avatar objects to do, you can program a dance ball to do.

There's other "camping jobs" that are similarly easy to implement, like modelling, that "avatar objects" would eliminate.
Draco18s Majestic
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03-07-2006 19:56
From: Kurshie Muromachi
You should check out A.L.I.C.E. :) I think even if the sim/grid was reset A.L.I.C.E. retains his/her collected data. Aside from that though you can pretty much create an NPC if you know how to give it some A.I. Doesn't have to be human either. Atleast with an object it will still be in the sim if your net goes down :p


I haven't sought out the actual instance, however reading a little of the thread it doesn't seem to have quite what I meant. I was looking for autonomous in terms of movement. It looks like ALICE is similar to an AIM Bot. I'll look for her later.

From: Argent Stonecutter
Err, Draco, anything you can program your hypothetical avatar objects to do, you can program a dance ball to do.

There's other "camping jobs" that are similarly easy to implement, like modelling, that "avatar objects" would eliminate.


You'll noticed I realised that, hence:
From: Draco18s Majestic
(look at me, I'm arguing against myself now XD)