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Tya Fallingbridge
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01-19-2006 10:47
You know Lewis, your threads are getting on my nerves. If you are so worried about what a piece of land costs and how much its going to hurt your "pocket book" maybe you shouldn't be playing SL if you can not afford it...
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George Flan
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01-19-2006 11:00
I think I will open up a Real Estate Agency in SL....lol Sellers, Give me your listings of what you have to sell and how much you want and I will find you the right buyer. Buyers, tell me what your looking for and I will find you the right seller. I'll only charge a small commission for my efforts.......Smile
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Gypsy Garden
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03-12-2006 11:21
From: Lewis Nerd I would like to propose that LL start selling land, rather than allowing Land Barons to screw the economy and the playerbase generally.
I know we can get 512m2 plots as "First Land" - although of course much of this ends up in the hands of alts who then link them together and sell it for vast profits - but I'd like to see LL selling plots of land at tier sizes to enable more players to own the land they want - and pay the monthly fee for doing so - but refuse to pay $100 or more worth of L$ to a Land Baron who offers nothing of benefit to the majority of the playerbase.
SL allows great creativity for those who wish to take advantage of that ability - sadly many players are stifled by their real life financial situation.
There is much more that can be done in game that doesn't have to be ugly huge monstrously laggy clubs and malls - but I wonder how many thousands of the players would love to enrich the content of the game through their skills, yet are unable to afford to buy the overinflated land prices.
I'm quite sure a lot of players end up quitting because they can't afford the land to do what they want - do you want your game to grow, or to stagnate and allow it to be controlled by a tiny amount of players with money to throw away?
It's not like there is a shortage of land for sale - just look at the 'land sales' section - so there's no real need for people to be buying up handfuls of sims to divide up and sell. Sadly there aren't many - if any - at prices that people can afford. Given a choice between giving a Land Baron money, or eating for two weeks.... sorry, you lose. I know we don't *have* to play the game - but if you made land more affordable to the average player, you might just find that more of these free accounts upgrade to proper paying accounts and increase your monthly income too.
Lewis Many players are aggravated by the prices other players are putting on their parcels-one 512 parcel not far from my land is up for sale for 10k-where is that outrageous price coming from? Others who see these irrational prices should also send comments to the sellers as I do that their prices are very unreasonable! Shame on you greedy seller! |
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Ethen Pow
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03-12-2006 11:38
From: Gypsy Garden Many players are aggravated by the prices other players are putting on their parcels-one 512 parcel not far from my land is up for sale for 10k-where is that outrageous price coming from? Others who see these irrational prices should also send comments to the sellers as I do that their prices are very unreasonable! Shame on you greedy seller! I get a 1024 sq m land for 7000L and sell it for 1000L losing 6000L well it made the buyer happy :/, I am mad and pissed at the werido prices for land that isn't 'real' and when I mean real I mean the land you can walk on with your own feet.. I am thinking that getting alot of land in RL is cheaper than getting land in SL also Alt accounts buyers are people that can't get alot of land by themself, its smart really thought they lost 10USD for the extra account plus 10USD(or less(or more)) a month form perm and tier ~sigh~ I am trying my best to get a sim for my group in the rate this is going land in SL will be pointless to get with the pirces out there
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prak Curie
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03-12-2006 12:03
From: Gypsy Garden one 512 parcel not far from my land is up for sale for 10k-where is that outrageous price coming from? Others who see these irrational prices should also send comments to the sellers as I do that their prices are very unreasonable! Shame on you greedy seller! I really like my 512 parcel and do not want to sell it. I have no interest in hearing about how you feel it is overpriced as I have no interest in selling it. However, if someone wants it so much that they are willing to give me the outrageous sum of $35, I would be willing to sell and find some other, less valuable, place. I am not so attached to my land that I would be willing to pass up on an easy $20. (That is three more months I could play Second Life entirely for free.) There is plenty of the land I have seen that is for sale for under L$7 per square meter, is there some reason you feel pressured into spending L$19? If you feel a specific parcel is overpriced, find another; there is no lack of affordable land.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-12-2006 23:34
The people that make sense in this thread (i.e. not Lewis) have strong points I agree with.
I also have a posible (and plausible) solution to "Land Barons."
Any parcel of land can not be priced at over L$500/sq. m. (maybe the number should be lower? Testing the waters here.)
This would also reduce the horribly over priced (i.e. L$999,999,999 for 16 sq. m) land used only to display an ad.
Prak mentioned L$7 and L$19 per sq. m, which is reasonable. Doing a quick Find I see very few ads down below L$100/sq. m (most of them being on decently sized land). MMOHOST has about 20 ads at L$125/sq.m, "I hate malls" at 195 (512 sq.m), very few "Impeach Bush" ones (how on earth did anyone manage to outbuy his land? or did he stop putting it up for sale?), mostly below the 100 mark.
Thoughts?
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prak Curie
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03-13-2006 07:25
From: Draco18s Majestic I also have a posible (and plausible) solution to "Land Barons." You appear to be using a definition of "land baron" that differs from the one used by most other people. From: Draco18s Majestic Any parcel of land can not be priced at over L$500/sq. m. (maybe the number should be lower? Testing the waters here.)
This would also reduce the horribly over priced (i.e. L$999,999,999 for 16 sq. m) land used only to display an ad. There is already a way for you to not see overpriced 16 sq m. land; set the "Price <= L$" to 8000. Or, if you are not looking for parcels that small, there is an option just below it that allows you to filter out parcels under a specified size. My use of L$7/sq m. was only because it is the midway point on find. (2/3 is L$10) L$19/sq. m. was because another poster suggest that it was unreasonably high. My position is that there is not an unreasonable amount to set your land for sale because there is plenty of other, reasonably priced, land for people to buy. The use of land sales for advertisement is another issue and, really, a very minor one since you can fairly easily filter them out. (See comments to paragraphs up.) I would support the addition of a "L$/sq m. <=" filter. I would even support it defaulting to 100. That should pretty much take care of all your concerns without restricting the value people can assign their land.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-13-2006 15:36
I know there are ways to filter out overpriced land, but I think that it shouldn't even go up for sale at such prices.
Alternatively I would like the <= L$/sq.m filter (any reasonable default is fine).
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Michi Lumin
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03-13-2006 16:26
Oh, nice, Lewis. So we'd have Luskwood taken from us? I didn't know we were land barons. We've almost never sold land, and when we have, it was in Clara and it was BELOW COST; we took a loss on the damn stuff to get our tier down.
And lets not forget that -free rent- profiteering we do in the Lusk Estates. You know, where people pay nothing per month, collected weekly, each resident owing zero (0 x number of parcels used) with an added tax of nothing, payable at the end of each lease - oh wait, there isn't one.
After all, I'm just rolling in free $0 dollar bills off of -that- one.
You should also come to our club/casino sometim- OH WAIT. we don't have those, either.
Now, Lewis, why is it again that you think we should have our land ripped from us? I'd really like an answer here.
I gotta get back to tending to the camping chairs that we don't have.
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Weedy Herbst
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03-13-2006 16:45
Stupidest thread...ever.
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Boliver Oddfellow
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03-13-2006 17:03
I agree with Weedy doumbest damn thread I ever read and while your killing all those sims add the rainforest and Dublin to the list you egocentric goon. lets destroy the infastructure of all of Sl cuz Mr Nerd dont like it. Wonder what you wont like next maybe furrys or africna americans or pixies. Sl is about freedom and that includes freeedom to be a land baron.
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prak Curie
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03-13-2006 17:14
From: Draco18s Majestic I know there are ways to filter out overpriced land, but I think that it shouldn't even go up for sale at such prices. Why do you feel the need to impose your wishing on others? Are a few plots of land being set at extremely high prices really causing you that much harm? Any harm? Doing anything at all to you? You do not need to look at it, you certainly are not forced to buy it and yet you still do not want to allow other people the freedom to set the price to what they see fit. Why? I do not understand this need many people seem to feel to control what others are allowed to do.
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The Spork
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03-13-2006 17:25
From: Draco18s Majestic Prak mentioned L$7 and L$19 per sq. m, which is reasonable.
Thoughts? That is NOT reasonable. I sold my first land for more than L$19 per sq. m. In theory land values rise as time goes on. Why ever have a limit? You're limiting yourself as well as the rest of us. |
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prak Curie
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03-13-2006 17:33
From: Lewis Nerd releases all those servers back to LL who can package them up quite nicely and let those who actually play the game to have fun do so, and those who just line their pockets can, for the want of a better term, just sod off. There is this interesting feature of businesses that I have noticed; most seem to prefer to have their pockets lined to having fun. At very least the ones that survive for any length of time seem to. Odd really. I think you will come to find that if Linden Labs is to stay stick around they will need to favor those people who pay.
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Draco18s Majestic
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03-14-2006 11:59
From: prak Curie Why do you feel the need to impose your wishing on others?
Are a few plots of land being set at extremely high prices really causing you that much harm? Any harm? Doing anything at all to you? You do not need to look at it, you certainly are not forced to buy it and yet you still do not want to allow other people the freedom to set the price to what they see fit. Why?
I do not understand this need many people seem to feel to control what others are allowed to do. A few plots of land? I count 164 of them priced to max. Many of them advertisments to vist places that the land is for sale, but no one in their right mind would BUY it (and the place isn't for sale if in the "for sale" they say "stop by and play at our casino" is it? So if it isn't for sale then IT SHOULDN'T BE UP FOR SALE. From: The Spork That is NOT reasonable. I sold my first land for more than L$19 per sq. m. In theory land values rise as time goes on. Why ever have a limit? You're limiting yourself as well as the rest of us. You misread what I typed. I was saying that 7 and 19 are in the realm of reasonable. The base number I was using to get feedback on was 500. |
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prak Curie
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03-14-2006 12:49
From: Draco18s Majestic A few plots of land? I count 164 of them priced to max. Many of them advertisments to vist places that the land is for sale, but no one in their right mind would BUY it (and the place isn't for sale if in the "for sale" they say "stop by and play at our casino" is it? So if it isn't for sale then IT SHOULDN'T BE UP FOR SALE. Yes. A few. Assume that one percent are set to sell at the maximum allowed (you will find that it is actually far fewer.) This means that there are 16400 other plots that are set for less, 164 is a very small number by comparison. Are you normally in the habit of looking at only the most expensive land first or scrolling through 16400 entries? What, exactly, are you trying to protect people from? Who in their right mind would ever even see these when looking for land to buy? Again, I point out, it is even possible to never see these using the tools already available. Set "Price <= L$" to 999999998. You need not be bothered by prices you find unreasonable. Let other people decide for themselves what they would rather not see. How would your rather static definition of "reasonable" deal with changes in the exchange rate? Would you have the Lindens reopen the debate every time it changes? Just because you find it unreasonable now does not mean it is going to be for every person or for every time.
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