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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,786
09-17-2006 15:54
what about LL's customers that doesn't give em a cent?
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Stefano Ludwig
Registered User
Join date: 5 Apr 2006
Posts: 22
09-18-2006 02:35
I respect the use of the SL “platform” as a free market “utility” to make money. But, believe me, this virtual reality is much more than sell and excell in selling.
There s a whole world of individual and social problems and requests, needs and hopes, - so many different ways of living our SL. So many different “cultures” that – talking together – form the concept of culture. SL is not a culture (what does it mean?), but a room in which cultures develop.
And its not, of course, democracy. But democracy is also a state of mind, a way to place ourselves in a world of interactions and relations and connections. A meeting of equivalent languages, a co-operation to reach an aim. Just like SL Forums.

So I say the banning issue is (from a global point of view) much more a sociological than an economic subject. Its simply another perspective. You use your customers well, I behave very kindly to my “beautiful losers” :). They hope to be unbanned by justice and not by more-traffic-needed. Ah, once again, I am not banned. Nowhere.

Mickey says SL is “a virtual reality platform run by a company. That company wants to make money, just like the rest of us.”. Well, I suppose a good imho is implied…I am sure the Lindens don’t fully agree. And – above all – many residents don’t agree at all. And – btw – I am not here nor IRL to play the game-obsession of getting money. I wouldn’t be here if this all was just another billionaire-7 sins videogame.

SL is an interesting challenge: to bring also democracy and culture in a virtual reality/country.
Many newbies ask me how to get money, not how to get friends…Many lads think freedom is the right to do anything you wish, not the cleverness to understand what you really wish…all by yourself and all in the social context.
So they jump and roll around and around like coins. Tossed by others.
Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
09-18-2006 07:06
From: Stefano Ludwig

My proposal is:
1 - at least 3 security staff must agree before someone can be sim banned
2 – the ban must be justified (just like we do in the abuse report: indecency, harassment etc.)

While your idea sounds logical, i must say it's eassy to bypass. We have unlimited alt creation capabilities. A officer can invite 2 alts as officers and ahve them both agree. Theres always a workaround now matter how you look at it. Alt's are not tied to your main account in anyway unless you chose for them to be.
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
09-18-2006 07:12
From: Stefano Ludwig

Btw I am not banned and btw I saw a sim named “Abu-Ghraib – torture in Iraq” and another nazi themed. But landowners pay LL a lot of money, of course…

Yea thats not good but LL don't ban for it aparently. They tend to gripe about it on the mainland though.
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
09-18-2006 07:58
There is one thing I think that might come out of this: it would be nice for a resident who is banned from an island to be able to get the name of the island's owner, so they can protest the ban if they wish. At the moment the usual way of doing that is to use Region/Estate Tools but you can't do that if you can't teleport to the island in the first place.

But the other objections have to be dealt with socially. If you've been unfairly banned by an Estate Manager, contact the owner and tell them so. If they're still unsympathetic, and you've suffered "overbanning" (eg, you annoyed someone in their house, but instead of getting banned from the house, you got banned from the sim and thus from all the shops in it too because the house owner was an estate manager) then find out who the commercial tenants are and let them know that the estate managers are handing out whole sim bans against their potential customers.
Mickey McLuhan
She of the SwissArmy Tail
Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 1,032
09-18-2006 08:39
From: someone
Mickey says SL is “a virtual reality platform run by a company. That company wants to make money, just like the rest of us.”. Well, I suppose a good imho is implied…I am sure the Lindens don’t fully agree.


I'll bet you the shareholders would agree. I'll be the CEO, CFO and board of directors would agree. I'll bet any potential investors would agree. I'll bet the Lindens who get paid by LL would agree.

Is there another description that's more apt? Or was it the "like the rest of us" that you disagree with? I apologise. I should have written "just like the rest of us do with our businesses", rather than leave it vague like that. I didn't mean inworld.
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