Outlaw Plots Smaller Than 512sqm

I think SL should outlaw plots smaller than 512sqm in size.

Plots that are smaller than 512sqm...

1. Are used to erecting signs (for sale, advertisement, etc)that extend into other people's land.
2. Are used for land scanning purposes.
3. Are used for land sale extortion. Sell the main plot, then sell the remaining bits at extortion prices.
4. Are not used for any purposeful building.
5. Are only used in situations where somebody want's to utilize sim resources, but not actually cough up the US$ cash.

The SL client should prevent chopping up a parcel into blocks smaller than 512sqm. Not sure to do with old parcels, maybe make those blocks available to neighboring plots, or make them Linden land.

Here is an example snapshot. The 64sqm plot under the huge, rotating signs is for sale at L$20,000. The price is set so that if the neighbors get annoyed by the signs, they always have an expensive way out. Otherwise, they can use sim resources, client fps, for their advertising. While the owners of the surrounding land are out of luck.

Here is another example. Two 16sqm plots, each for L$200. The third 16sqm square out of the original plot is a dedicated public land scanner.

And yet another example. These two 16sqm bits were carved out of this parcel for land scanner use...

I object to this notion...

Thare ARE valid reasons for small plots to both exist, and to be bought and sold.

Let me give you a real example. A while ago, I bought a 576 m2 lot in Rose with the idea that I'd build the "Ace's Smoke Shop" I've been working on (cigarettes, cigars, pipes... etc.).

Now, as circumstances would have it, I haven't finished the project, and I decided I wanted to take advantage of today's high land prices. But also thinking that a 512 m2 lot would be more attractive to sell than a 576 (since people with a no land-tieir Premium membership could buy it), I subdivided it into a 512 and a small 64.

The 64 has sold (someone wanted the prim-space), and the 512 still sits on the market. (If this were the classifieds, I'd mention that its a great 512 at only L$2999 in Rose ).

But this is a clear example where small lots should be permitted, and that the buying and selling of them should not be a problem.

- Ace

You also totaly hose:

Ben's and Luna
The majority of the city.
Boardman and Brown Open Air Markets
Luskwood Estates

Please also outlaw .PNG files. They take too long to download.

We have bought 3 small plots to put up vendors, sort of like a yard sale.

We have 128 m2 in Fujin and 176 in Kaili. Both plots do a good business.

As you can see, room for three 3-D vendors, three 2-d vendors and a couple of signs and pots.

My immediate concern with this has to do with exchanging land. Say my neighbour and I each own a > 512m section of land, but it's spread out, and we'd like to make both our plots more contiguous. Were we not able to subdivide into smaller units, we might not be able to exchange it at all.

If such a rule were enacted, there wouldn't effectively be any possible way to do it on a technical level while not screwing the majority of small-parcel owners over. It would require the Lindens to investigate and evaluate each and every complaint that was sent their way.

I mean, it's possible to do, but I just don't see the problem being big enough for them to be likely to bother. Or rather, I don't think the Lindens would see it as big enough to bother with.

Land extortion has been going on forever, in both big and small plots, and nothing's ever been done about it, so far as I know. I believe it's illegal under the ToS, but has anyone ever heard of it being enforced?

And BMP! BMP is evil like PNG!

PNG is a highly compressed, lossless image compression. BMP is evil, PNG is not. JPG is good for photographs of the Real World, but can lead to distortion of things like text, and lines.

A small plot might also be separated from the main plot for the purposes of streaming music in that one position.

I have a 592 sq m plot in Clara separated from my main plot. It is the remnants of a larger plot which over time has been traded for bits of land that I have been able to add to my main plot.

I am now waiting patiently for some underwater land to become available so that I can completely safeguard a waterway.

I know a few people have seperate but contiguous plots so they can list two stores or more together at the same time. If I want to let a friend build on my land, it can be helpful to be able to let them specify the parcel name under their property as well.

Small lots are good for prims. Petition not signed.

NO! TigerTor, and many other landless apartments have 16 meter plots that the residents can set their home locations to. This would cause a lot of logistics problems for large group builds.

they recent came up with a lossy compression sceme for png. (png is an extendable format; as is it's sister format mng which is a replacement for animated *.gif's; to complicate things there is also a video compression format called CorePNG that stores the frames as png's.)


set a minimium limit to the amount of land you can hold in a sim. If you own land below that point in the sim after a week you will be given 2 weeks to sell it or it will be auctioned. Group land would be treated as if they had a single owner.

<<I am now waiting patiently for some underwater land to become available so that I can completely safeguard a waterway.>>

Thanks to a fair and honest trade with Zeppi (he declined an offer of money to compensate for the inconvenience), I now have the River Selador!

yes four square meters

4 * 4 != 4

ok what are you saying with that

The smallest parcel of land you can have is 16 square metres -- 4m by 4m. 4 square metres is 2m by 2m.

oh okay

I'm dumb about radicands

I'd have to agree to some extent, well, and not.

First of all, those $20,000 sign plots in the first picture are in the middle of -our- land, so I'm not too happy about that. Technically though, it's not a TOS violation, so there's nothing I can do about it. Have we considered paying the *$80,000 L$* to get rid of the four 16m2 plots that guy owns? ... yes, we have. But we haven't done it.

I can't be sure how well his signs even work, maybe they do. But at this point, we own 2/3rds of Perry, and those 16m2 plots are dead in the middle of it. If what he's doing, specifically, isn't a TOS violation, I think it should at least be pretty close to one.

Now on the other hand, I've used <512m2 plots for decent things. Seeing that I own a lot of land in Lusk, I own a hilltop 16m2 plot on a peak in the middle of Linden land. Most would use it for a scanner or a sign; I put a tree and a park bench up there and think it's rather nice.

Of course since that doesn't make a profit, I realize I'm probably the only one who'd do that, so I shouldn't count, I guess.

In either case, as "large plots of land" (1.5's wording, we don't know what 'large' is) begin to go to auction instead of bein released to public, I think we're going to see a great increase in small plots being used to 'hold land hostage'. Scanners and barons will switch from the usual buy-for-L$1-sell-for-L$15 tactic, and instead, buy 16m2, set the price to $20,000, and put horrible sounds/particles/signs/terraforms on the thing.

Unfortunately, it's a lot more profitable than 'barony', and from what I understand, perfectly within the TOS.

(After all, those L$20,000 16m2 plots with huge spinning signs have gone with impunity since 1.1. We haven't asked any Lindens about it because we know what the answer will be.)

Techically, I have to be careful as to what I build in Perry, to make sure his spinning signs are not obstructed. I also have to make sure that he has an accessible path in and out of our 36km2 there to his 16m2 plots.

The TOS gives the 'land griefer' all of the power, really. And there's not much we can do about it.

I'd have to disagree with a simplistic restriction like this, but I understand where you're coming from. My libertarian sense just can't accept more restrictions; even if they might do some good, I feel they'd also will incur too much harm.

Maybe we really just need to cut the crap and start negging the abusers to hell.

Well, once again, the only people who care about negs are those who are already concerned about their ratings to begin with.

Judging by the profile of the owner of those $20,000 plots, he really wouldn't care about any given number of negs.

And, unfortunately, once again, he's completely within TOS. If anything, we have to restrict the way all of Perry is used to make sure his 16m2's stay accessible and open.

According to the 'Free Market' mantra as of late, paying the L$80,000 is really our only remedy.

In essence, "taking land hostage" is not only allowable under TOS, but under the current culture and system, encouraged and probably looked upon by some as ingenous and clever.

Expect to see much more of stuff like this in the near future. Land demand is going down, land supply is going up, and scanners for public are going to lose their value. Land-hostage-taking is going to be the new industry in SL. It's highly profitable.