Hello friends,
i wish we could pay land fees with paypal. i know it is important the credit card to check the age of the residents, but after we pay the basic account, we could be able to pay the fees with paypal.
i'm a non US resident, and i feel unfair about it. i cannot use the Lindens Dollars. the reason is very simple. i can't transfer the money into my bank account.
i use GOM to sell/buy L$, and why SL donºt have the same system?
another good thing will be pay the land fees with L$... why not? why need to sell $L, loose exchange rates?
i hope your understand me, sorry my bad english!
cheers!
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nonnux white
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02-08-2005 14:40
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Aaron Levy
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02-08-2005 14:50
Get the free PayPal debit card and you can pay your fees with it. (I *think* that might be a U.S. thing only though, but I'm not sure.)
On your second idea, paying land fees with L$, you can but the exchange rate is terrible. And it always will be because the Lindens want you to pay your land fees with real-world money. They get NOTHING when you pay them in Lindens. And it would be unethical for them to trade it on GOM or IGE. _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
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02-08-2005 23:44
another good thing will be pay the land fees with L$... why not? why need to sell $L, loose exchange rates? cheers! Step 1: sign up at www.gamingopenmarket.com Step 2: Sell your L$ for US$ Step 3: pay with said US$ _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 02:19
Actually, I do pay all my land tier fees with PayPal and I am canadian. I use my PayPal credit card so it comes right out via that.
I even get like 5% back or something everytime! _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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nonnux white
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02-09-2005 07:18
1 - i am at GOM since long time 2 - i usually sell my lindens there 3 - how can i pay? i got the money in GOM, if i withdraw the money into paypal, i cannot use it, except if i buy on eBay or any other place that accept paypal, since i cannot withdraw it. Actually, I do pay all my land tier fees with PayPal and I am canadian. I use my PayPal credit card so it comes right out via that. thats what i want to do, but i didn't found any place in SL website to pay with paypal Get the free PayPal debit card and you can pay your fees with it. (I *think* that might be a U.S. thing only though, but I'm not sure.) dunno what are u talking about. paypal debit card? where u got it? i got this info in my paypal: Portuguese Premier Account Overview Status: Portuguese - Verified (0) |
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Heather Nyak
Second Life Resident
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Nonnux
02-09-2005 07:37
If you Paypal account is verified it must be linked to your debit or credit card so i think you can then transfer money from Paypal to your Debit/Credit Account.
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nonnux white
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02-09-2005 07:41
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=994&loc=951&unique_id=3479&source_page=_account&flow=
Withdrawing Funds Why can't I withdraw funds to my credit card? Due to agreements we've entered into with MasterCard and Visa, we are unable to offer our members the ability to withdraw money to their credit card from their PayPal account. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 07:58
You can apply with PayPal for a "check card".
It's like a credit card (you can use it as such) but the money comes directly from your paypal account rather than borrowing it. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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nonnux white
NN Dez!gns
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02-09-2005 08:03
You can apply with PayPal for a "check card". It's like a credit card (you can use it as such) but the money comes directly from your paypal account rather than borrowing it. thank you so much for all feedback, but... i still don't understand. i don't see any "check card" option in my paypal. when i go into SL website, i don't have no possibility to place my paypal there, and any other way, except credit card. so, plz try to explain me better how u do it, and try to understand that i'm non US resident, and also that is very difficult to me to understand this language |
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
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02-09-2005 08:18
Paypal debit cards aren't available for non-US residents.
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Ricky Zamboni
Private citizen
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02-09-2005 08:18
1 - i am at GOM since long time 2 - i usually sell my lindens there 3 - how can i pay? i got the money in GOM, if i withdraw the money into paypal, i cannot use it, except if i buy on eBay or any other place that accept paypal, since i cannot withdraw it. At GOM, we do offer other methods of withdrawing your cash. Most people do like PayPal, but if it's not convenient for you we can send your money to you by (a) e-gold, or (b) a money order sent from us right to your door. We're also flexible enough that if there's another way you'd like to get paid out, we can probably make it happen.  _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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02-09-2005 08:26
I have a PayPal credit card and I am canadian.. However, I also have over 2000 feedback on my paypal account.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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nonnux white
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02-09-2005 08:33
At GOM, we do offer other methods of withdrawing your cash. Most people do like PayPal, but if it's not convenient for you we can send your money to you by (a) e-gold, or (b) a money order sent from us right to your door. We're also flexible enough that if there's another way you'd like to get paid out, we can probably make it happen. i only see this link: https://secure.gamingopenmarket.com/withdrawCash.php at GOM i can read this text at this link: "Please indicate the amount you would like to withdraw and the PayPal email address to which you would like GOM to transfer it." am using correctly this service? where are the links to withdraw money in other formats? |
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Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
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02-09-2005 08:38
hmm - well none of this seems to be available in the European Union.
Paypal Debit Card - The PayPal ATM/Debit Card is available to users who:...Have a U.S. PayPal account To apply for a Providian Credit Card, visit www.paypalcreditcard.com, click any Apply Now link and complete the registration. The Providian Credit Card is not available for non-U.S. members. Paypal Debit Bar - The PayPal Debit Bar is available to users who:...Have a Domestic PayPal account |
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nonnux white
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Thx all for helping me
02-09-2005 08:45
u can now close this thread.
since i'm not US resident, i cannot do what i want to do. gonna sit down and relax, till the day i will be able to do it. i now understand the words "americans only", and is very poor to forget that this world is populated with other persons. gonna stop refering my friends into this game, since we cannot use it like you all do. cya later! |
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Barbarra Blair
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02-09-2005 09:21
I don't quite understand why you can't have PayPal deposit funds to your bank in Portugal. But my international dealings so far are limited to usings ATMS in Guatemala, so I confess ignorance.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-09-2005 09:30
The thing to remember about "US Resident Only" restrictions is that very often it isn't for a lack of desire on the part of the person offering the service.. Its that legalitieis make international transactions and so forth very complex and restrictive.
Between America and Canada it isn't so bad, but even there you will constantly see things like "Offer not valid in Canada" or "Due to legal restrictions, contest not open to Canadian citizens". |
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Jeri Zuma
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Vote for Proposal 374
06-03-2005 06:51
My own view is that the Linden is a real currency. If it freely exchanges with the US Dollar, then it's real. That means that Lindens at Linden Labs could accept Lindens in payment for land tier. Let's have a menu option that shows a daily official Linden land-tier payment exchange rate, and that allows the option of paying the tier right there in the menu item, from your available Lindens.
The use of third parties like Paypal is too cumbersome, and not available outside the US. If this appeals to you, then Vote for Proposal 374, which would make this change a priority for Linden Labs. To vote for this, go to http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=374 |
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Jon Marlin
Builder, Coder, RL & SL
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06-03-2005 09:03
My own view is that the Linden is a real currency. If it freely exchanges with the US Dollar, then it's real. That means that Lindens at Linden Labs could accept Lindens in payment for land tier. Well, lets say there are 800 sims right now. Lets say the average tier paid to LL is around $200 per sim. That's $160,000 USD that gets paid to LL each month in tier. So, you think GOM or IGE is going to give LL $160K USD per month in trade for 40 million Lindens? No, I didn't think so... - Jon |
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nonnux white
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06-03-2005 10:12
why not? isn't lindens dollard real money?
and i don't beleive all 800 sims will be paied with lindens. _____________________
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Frans Charming
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06-03-2005 10:26
Can't you get a credit card at your bank?
Edit: And can't you withdraw funds from paypal to your bank account? |
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Catherine Omega
Geometry Ninja
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06-03-2005 11:04
No, the Linden dollar is not real money. It's play money. The Lindens make no claims that it has any value at all. The fact that other people are willing to give you US$ in exchange for it has nothing to do with the Lindens. If they were to declare it a valued currency, they'd effectively be establishing themeselves as a bank, with all the ridiculous hassles that would entail.
Jon, that's not how the transaction works. The Lindens don't sell currency to anyone, and in fact, they couldn't, not unless they wanted to cripple the economy. IGE and GOM are both exchanges, working with a static amount of money. Only ownership of L$ changes. Exchanges like IGE and GOM don't add money into the system. If anything, they remove money from circulation, as it sits in the exchanges' coffers, rather than recirculating immediately within the economy. From the Lindens' perspective, they get $160K a month, and no idea where it came from. Maybe their subscribers have jobs. Maybe they deal meth. It doesn't really matter. According to the Lindens here, they're planning to add PayPal support to SL within the next couple of weeks. So that's good for all of us with trouble getting money to Linden Lab's pocket. _____________________
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nonnux white
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some calcs:
06-03-2005 11:22
The problem is not credit card
the problem is not withdraw funds the problem is taxes: Cash withdrawal (PayPal, e-gold) from GOM is Free so at this momment: - if u sell L$10.000 you will get $39.6 - $1.2 (first tier) = $38.4 - withdraw into paypal is free - Withdraw Funds from paypal into my account. €1.00 EUR for €99.99 EUR or less (€1 euro = $1.2) - my account is in €, so i will pay a 2.5% fee for exchange rates at this time i will got: $38.4 - $1.2 - 2.5% = $36.27 from almost $40 that i got from GOM, i have now $36.27 on my account. if LL accept paypal for payments, i could avoid $1.2. if LL accept lindens, i will avoid paying $3.33 and, if L$ is really money, and if LL invented it, why can't i use this money to pay??? _____________________
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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06-03-2005 12:05
and, if L$ is really money, and if LL invented it, why can't i use this money to pay??? $L is not real money. LL can not pay salaries using $L. LL can not pay their vendors using $L. LL can not pay their taxes using $L. LL can not pay their rent uing $L. If they could use $L to pay for any of those things, they could just print up a bunch of $L's and and be instantly wealthy. Philip Trump. The $L only has value when a user wants to pay RL money for it. _____________________
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Jon Marlin
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06-03-2005 12:22
Jon, that's not how the transaction works. The Lindens don't sell currency to anyone, and in fact, they couldn't, not unless they wanted to cripple the economy. IGE and GOM are both exchanges, working with a static amount of money. Only ownership of L$ changes. I know that -- I was describing a very silly hypothetical situation to illustrate why this will never happen. - Jon |
