Re-Enable Push

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This no push system has brought down extream limatations in the SL enviroment. Accelerators that are quite helpful when building a project will no longer work. For example, if you do not want to use the Teleport hack, you can use accelorator tube transporters as a cool way to get up to things at high elevations. All togeather it disables the scripting community from doing alot of things. And we belive it should be re- enabled.

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Please Talk!

I've got one of those. It still works.

If you OWN the land, then it will work because you can ENABLE push on YOUR land.

If it's your land it should work regardless. There's no option to turn off your pushes on your own land.

You can still llPushObject yourself, and you can wear an attachment that does llApplyImpulse, and you can just sit on a prim and dial its coordinates in.

Elevator systems will still work on land owned by the elevator owner even if push restrictions are in place. Push restriction is off on parcels by default so unless the parcel owner turns it on anyone can use push functionality in the parcel. This is not removing functionality from script makers, its giving land owners the ability to reduce some of the more disruptive griefing by preventing griefers from using push/orbit scripts to force everyone out of a parcel (like some griefers have become fond of doing in crowded clubs during events). Also with push restrictions on someone can still push themselves, just not others.

It may be useful to read the following thread, started by Cube Linden, to get a better understanding of how the new Push Restriction *option* works:

/108/c3/124462/1.html

Officers of the land and the land owner its self along with any group owned objects and land owner objects are immune to push restriction. If you can't push thats because the land owners in the sim/parcel have chose to disable it. If you don't enjoy it try to find another parcel or sim with it allowed.

it would seem to me that the benifit far outways hte down falls. and sl has not disabled pushing... just givin land owners the option to turn it off..

Restricting the push limitations like this will only force a nother evil to survice.
eventualy we wil have tabs of what posible and what not. and we wil loose all freedom to the sim owner.

some peeple spend MONTHS to write llpush aplications that are now like useless.
some tools i bought for 1.5k wont work. and the person that sold them nowhere to be found.

this has a HUGE inpact to the peeple trying to script, u should encurage them to join, not run 'm off like this. they are the peeple that keep SL going with fresh ideas. personaly wasted a few weeks on products that are now useless.

lots of value of items and time has been flushed down the drain by the lindens. and i supose we wont get compensated.

also its a discrimination the restrictions dont aply to the simowner. ive come in situation ive just been ejected like that. it should be off for all or on for all. even for deeded objects. (and i also own land)

idiots will find other ways to grief peeple. least last update u knew what u could do. now we have all sorta peeple trying new stuff. knowing the victum cant do nothing then file an abuse. efectively promoting griefing in this manner. lindens never cared about the toss somuch.

this update issue is labled as a Bug. BUT ITS NOT! if u ask my opion.
it should have been voted for. seartainly with this huge inpact.
i supose its all about profits and such for the lindens. but for the players its all about fun and having fun.

SL should be open option. do what u want todo. if this keeps up there be nothing left of sl soon. its should be inproved not limited.

as a linden told to me: "the majority of teh residents thinks this is and inprovement"
i cant agree. the majority dont have a understanding of human nature and scripting. the peeple that disagree are the peeple that script and are in the game for a good time, those u want to keep right?

nother opion: the linden should put the efords into enforcing the tos, heres where the big problem is. u make it easy to remove someone for being abusive less peeple will abuse. u will restrict how u can abuse. someone will find a other methode. (a other evil)

ask yourself where this gona end?

I script.

The push limitations are most welcome. All the good applications I know for push are not affected by the new feature.

Your pushes always work on yourself regardless.
Group object pushes will work on the group always.
Your pushes on your land will always work (so things like elevators are not affected).

The above apply if the push limitation is ON. If it's off then it works as normal.

Would you mind specifying the applications that are affected?

If these applications are meant to affect people not on your land and without their permission, then sorry, that's griefing.

If you're renting, get the landowner to create a group for all the renters so that the push will work.

more is gained than lost, greifers have lost almost all ability to.... greif, works for me

That is a concern, there is a slippery slope here and this debate has had people pulling in all directions. Linden Labs has listened to this and come up with extremely conservative limits on push. They're actually looser than my own proposal, and I've been pulling towards what I thought was a minimum acceptable restriction for months.

I don't think this restriction is any reason to be concerned. I think the real concern shoudl be where LL has put what might be considered excessive restrictions on new functions, like the camera controls.
Linden Labs has been talking about restrictions on push coming for two releases now. This shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

What I'm finding surprising is the idea that these restrictions are actually making any useful products obsolete. I've been scripting push for almost a year and I'm not seeing the problem... can you elaborate? What is it that you bought that you can't use any more?

I think the push restrictions should stay. I been asking for and wanting it for years... I'm sure this won't get many votes though, since so many people have been griefed by llPushObject.

Do not Push your Push upon us, you Push Pusher!

If it's enabled on your land, you won't have a problem.
If it's your land, you won't have a problem whether it's enabeled or not.
If it's not enabled on land you don't own, ask the landowner to change it or seek push-enabled land.

So many options.

I gotta go with Aodhan on this one. Can you please specify which scripts are being messed up by this? In what way are you, personally, being restricted by this addition?

I, for one, LOVE the new set up. It sucks for a couple of vehicle makers of my aquaintance, but they have adjusted. They build in peace and do the testing later. More time consuming in the long run, but that time is spent not having the crap annoyed out of them, or being blasted across the sim.

Decent payoff, y'ask me...