Ban 'For Sale' signs - in-world listings are enough to indicate sale

'For Sale' signs, in their many incarnations, are an attempt by land owners to 'market' their land for sale. We have this already, its in the find menu under the 'land sales' tab. The reasons for this are clear:

1) Land Sales are handled through the system directly in the find menu.

2) Land Sales are indicated by the information given when looking by the world map (this information is delayed, however)

3) Land Sales are given visibility through the ability of any resident to use the above tools and inspect the parcel themselves

4) Land Sales also have a home on the forums where land can be openly advertised.

5) The use of 'For Sale' signs has been protested in the past, with no formal policy response by LL.

6) No Land Sales activity would be prevented by the dis-allowing of these signs, it would only further the use of tools that Linden Lab has obviously spent a lot of time developing and perfecting.

Thanks for reading.

I agree.

I agree.

but this would be an unenforceable rule.

I like for sale signs!!

Agreed that For Sale signs are an eyesore and not really necessary.

That said however, I oppose this notion. Its a slippery slope that I'd rather not get started down.

Do we ban "4 Sale" signs too? How about a sign that says "This land can be bought?" Or a sign that says "Para La Venta?"

Or what if I've built a lovely, one-of-a-kind object that I'm selling for big L$... Can I, or can't I put a "For Sale" sign next to it?

- Ace

This is specifically guided towards the practice of having a vacant plot with a 'for sale' sign, with the intent of selling the land. I don't see how this applies to a 'slippery slope' for objects, because I'm not talking about a feature request for objects. If I were, then your comment would make sense in that context.

personally, I like the for sale signs, assuming they're not littered about. It lets me see as I'm passing that the piece of land I'm near is for sale. I almost never turn to the forsale page of the map, so it's the only way for me to see it.


and do you REALLY want everyone to have to examine EVERY SINGLE PLOT OF LAND IN THE GAME in point 3?


please go try that in some random sim, where you know 1 property is for sale. Tell me how many hours it takes you to find it.

As much as I hate the signs, I am opposed too, and agree that it is a slippery slope. We all have the ability to put whatever we want on land we own - including billboards and signs. If you outlaw content that does not violate TOS , what next?

Banning For Sale signs is a bit extreme and fascist. Community pressure is better.

So, how about giving all items containing the words "For Sale" (only on land that is up for sale) a special property. They would have a public attachment site, to which anyone would be allowed to attach a huge "Big noob lives here" sign.

The owner could of course ignore the pressure, but that's freedom. On the other hand, it would allow others for whom the For Sale sign ruins the environment to express their dissatisfaction, and that is freedom too.

I'm sorry - you're all correct. I shouldn't be trying to suggest that the very tools used to exploit users should be restricted or prohibited in any way.

In fact, let me suggest something that will help them in their quest for land domination.

Be right back.

Linden Lab - sorry for the contradiction, I've reworded my request to fit the social norms of SL, please see my other thread for the intended feature change:

For Sale Signs - exclude from prim counts

Thanks.

Um... isn't that what the million or so threads on the board were about? Community pressure doesn't work.

But.

Freedom of speech on one's land should not be threatened.

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We need a better solution.

I disagree. Some land was for sale in Gray. If I hadn't seen the For Sale signs, I wouldn't have noticed it. For Sale signs are great for people who are thinking about taking on more land in the sims they live in, but who are not checking auctions every day.

What I am opposed to is 100-meter-tall all-light monstrosities that spew particles over enough volume to fill a football stadium. I wish people would not do that.

Other than that... this thread is about legislating taste. No thank you.

I'm not sure that community pressure hasn't worked. I remember seeing a lot of rotating "For Sale" cubes, now the signs I see are a lot more sign-like and it often looks like some effort went into designing them. Sure there are still rotating cubes, but there are always idiots and you don't restrict everyone's rights just to stop them.

As has been pointed out by others, real community pressure would be to not buy. Money in mouths and all that. In order to do that, however, would require a community effort not a few people loudly complaining.

To sum up, yes the signs are ugly but they add a certain character to the place and the argument that they should be banned because they are ugly and there are other ways to sell land is a dangerous one. I think a lot of the homes I pass are rather unappealing (including the one that somehow ended up on my land) and I know that we don't need those, why not start trying to ban those next?

Let's spend a little more time expanding our freedoms before we get too excited about reducing them.

Yes, legislating taste is bad - enhancing 'For Sale' signs seems the socially-approved option.

I try to please.

See this thread for more, thanks.

I disagree, its more fun neg rating them

BAN THE SIGNS!