ATTN: All mature content creators - collaboration on mature sexual object system

This is for everyone who is interested in the mature/sexual aspect of SL and wants to help expand or experience a more realistic virtual sex system. I hope that we can create a global effect with this and maybe take SL in to a deeper level introducing it to different types of people.

With the detail and dynamics of all the different sex-toys and attachments there should be a common language between all these objects. I also find that people tend to cyber sex chat more than physical role-play with the AVs. So to change this, I think collaboration between the Bed makers, bondage toys, dildos and dynamic genitalia would heighten the experience. I do not know how hard it could be to work with each other but I have some ideas. For instance, a person could have a note on their genitalia that could describe using a sort of “stimulation preference language”.

A person might like a certain position on a bed better. The bed can communicate with the genitals and if the stimulation preferences match up that will produce the maximum stimulation and appropriate visuals, messages, etc. Dildos can interact with the vagina or other places to produce the right alignment and maybe even give different stimulation depending on the angle at which it enters. These are just a few of the ideas for the system. I hope this is something everyone can work together on. I see this expanding well outside of SL. I hope we can pioneer the first effective Virtual Sex system. Maybe even make us friends with LL, financially.

When we all collaborate on this system, we can also insure that everything will work with future features like custom animation and external physical devices. So give me input everyone. Remember: "Sex Sells".

ummmmmmmmmmmmm...
so you want my penis to talk now?

The wife says it does all the thinking and you want it to freaking TALK TOO?!??!?!?!?!

* Shudders and yet is amused at the thought of the kind of stuff Christopher's penis would say *

Not sure how to take the responses. No ones really giving me input. I've contacted Green Fate in SL but he doesn't seem interested and if this is the case with the people that I haven't talked to in SL then say so here. It seems like sexuality is a big thing for mature SLifers. It doesn't seem right that no one is interested.

Don't worry, your penis won't be heard by your wife but her vagina might hear it.

BTW, if that means you are "worried" about me "wanting" your penis to talk, I have no intentions of making people follow any system. I think we should design such a system around the current un-dynamic default so if you like it the way it is nothing will change for you. But if you are just going to Cyber Sex chat, you may as well do it in a regular Instant Messager or Chat room.

While I love the ideas for items you have mentioned Leonn, I would be surprised if there were a massive union of all or even most "mature content" creators to come together and make all their products interact with other products. I'd say the main reason being that in not doing so, they are allowing for better competition and a means to offer reasons for buying their products over another person's products.

Personally, I like that. Because it keeps creativity flowing, as well as continues to push creators to make better items to keep up with the rising competition.

However, there is nothing stopping you from getting a group of people together that *do* want to work on this type of project. You would have to work out splitting profits and the like, or agree to do it all for free, or whatever you all decide. And then start marketing your products. Either by opening a shop yourself, or working with other shop owners to display your items (to help promote you, etc), or do both!

Anyway, those are my thoughts on this idea

I agree with Pendari on this one. The idea of having mature-oriented objects support a common protocol (as it's called in programmer-speak) makes a lot of sense, however many of the more creative objects are created with the express intent to be sold.

I for one make such objects, and they talk among themselves - in fact, that's one of my selling points. If i were to create them with an open protocol, then I'd lose one of my selling points and also have competitor objects interacting with mine. My collectibles wouldn't be as collectible anymore . Under current circumstances, the benefits of an open protocol would be outweighed by the drawbacks.

In short - love the idea in principal, but can't really support it in practice. At least for the near term.


- Newfie Pendragon

I don't think all creators will be interested. I just want one person that is interested in each part of the system. The intimate objects, the places to get it on and the toys. I just figure the best people for the job would be the creators of these things that exsist now. I also think they would be the most interested.

I was thinking that it would boost
sales. Someone who buys the beds may not be interested in the genitalia attachments. If you add functionality between the two, that person will be more likely to buy both products. Some people do not think it is real enough at all and will not buy anything. If we make it real enough for them, they may buy.

I'm glad you posted Pen . What I am trying is to eliminate the separate ideas. It is bold... and maybe stupid to some. I maybe a head of the times but if I do not try I will never know… right? I do not want anyone to loose anything over it though. I am the type of person who has to try everything and do as much as possible to make things in a large world work together. I see something here that maybe no one else sees. As I said if I do not make the idea known, I may never know if I could start the evolution of a very interesting thing.

I do want to know the opinions of anyone interested or that thinks it is just not going to work. Call me crazy. That usually leads to successful results.

Really? its been so long! I wonder, can you tell me which armpit they keep their vagina in? Will it talk back?


Sorry i cant help it, I just laughed my ass off at the whole talking genitals thing. Sorry, Ill shut up now.

That's quite ok. Sex is funny and fun. That's the whole reason is sells so well.

I know it is a bit iffy and it usually is in RL with mergers and such. People can loose jobs and such. Doing it without anyone loosing anything is the only way that this can be done.

The "near term" is not what I am aiming for. I have it in mind that sales will go up for everyone as I explained in my last post after Pen's. I just have a feeling that if it is done right and everyone can work together things will happen faster than if we just sell the products and sales will be exponential.

I think this is an excellent idea. I know in the past, people had talked about creating an open "pet code" system, by which pets could have varying degrees of interactivity by exchanging short strings communicating aggressiveness, hunger, fear, alertness, and so on, but I don't think anything ever came of it.

It's a shame, really, but I think your plan has a very good chance of success, if implemented properly. Your best bet would be to create the scripts, or at least a library scripters could then use for their own scripts. Provide not only the protocol, but also the code to do it.

People are lazy. You have to hold their hand a bit.

That is a good idea. I wouldn't mind putting more time into the code, it would give me more experience. I would like help so that it can go a bit smoothly instead of doing it all myself. I’m going to write up the basic idea and protocol for the object system then decide on a plan of action

First plan:
Anyone with an object that is needed within the system, if you wish to have this type of functionality, We may collaborate on the script and I can give permissions based on some agreed payment. We can work out a contract or agreement system that works for the party interested. A group will be created to work out the distribution for basic code and "protocol" for anyone who will help produce.

Second plan:
A group will be made and an event will be held to gather those interested. Jobs will be assigned to those most able and best suited for the given task. Anyone who is interested but doesn’t have building or scripting interest can help with ideas and testing. I’ll also be needing team managers. Team managers will create events to gather new ideas and distribute “beta tests”. Reports will be written up after the meetings.

I’m open to suggestions and I have a few more in mind but I’d like to refine them first. Tell me what you think.

++ I think I'll need some help with designing a simulation model. I've read up on some of Will Wright's (of Maxis) model theory but I've never had the chance to script, outside of Neverwinter Nights, any simulation type system.

Not interested? Never said that busy with new releases ;-0 and “RL”.
Apologies for being distant and perhaps a little slow to reply. You and I are also on opposite ends of the clock with in-world activities and I'm not the most social avatar in-world either.


The competition thing; Lets look at how adding communication capability could become a market share liability.

First i see it as a feature – the ability to interact appropriately with other in world content that requires no user attention but that enhances the users enjoyment of their activity in-world. How does this make the product less attractive? How could/does it make less competition?

It is my current opinion that the risk is only to certain instance of propriety. [ So, hypothetical creator “Lemmy Mastermind” wanted to run with this alone and create sets that could only interact with “Lemmy's Creations“. If others were to created content that was capable of interaction poor Lemmy might suddenly find sales “aren't what they used to be”. ]

Would there not still be competition – attention to detail, artistry, overall function.
Imagine if cell phones could only communicate with same brand devices.
Or if your genitalia would only “work” with people that had the same eye color as you.

Technical;
range of whisper.
listen to objects of selective owner(s) – how selected.
channel(s) used for communication.
flooding and load on the listen call / server.
standard message protocol – response results.
an 'off' selection.

What else?

Omg ... HIPPO genitals. Be afraid!
Hahahaha “the nipple channel”

What ever happened to MotorHead anyway?

I'm gathering info here and ideas. I have only basic ideas for object types and their functions. I want to work on the scripting and protocols with people who wish to form a group around my idea.

I'll be holding an event when enough people have been notified of the idea and I'm ready to build a group around this.

I'm interested in knowing if I've cleared up any pros/cons. If there's any doubts tell me. I wasn't sure if I got the base idea across yet or not.

Yeah, Hippo Genitals... that's kinda part of the plan. lol

I have many many ideas on this subject and actually have already started working on something in that direction *grins*. Just to give you some idea: nice lovemaking is not just about genitals. It has to do with feelings that build slowly and are influenced in many ways. If you really want to move from text to avatar action and make virtual body more "autonomous" you have to model mood and feeling and allow many different ways to be influenced, not just by monotoneous f*** movement. Lovemaking is like one language of feeling and if the only words you allow is honeypot, joystick and the f*** word it is very shallow...

Trust me... this will be approached from a very mature point of view. It's not just the act of making love that's involved. It will encompass virtually anything sexual/erotic/romantic. From making passionate love or groping each other wildly to holding hands in a park or kissing romantically in the swing chair on the back porch.

I'm sorry for seeming like I was putting all the emphasis on the genitalia... but it's for a reason. It would probably be a bit much to have an attachment for lips, nipples, small of back, chest, neck, etc. The genitals are just a slave object for all the “un-seen” erogenous areas. I would have to use all erotic terms because everyone has a different way of having VS just as in your first life. That is where the dynamics exist. I want it to be as good as people need it to be from each varying standard of personal preference.

If you are heading in this direction as well, I'd like to know if you are willing to collaborate. There's no need for me to continue if you have something already in the works. However, my idea will only work if we have a team to do it. It's a very ambitious project and I'm serious about seeing it to it's completion. Competition isn't a factor because I do not plan to make any money in world. This is development for an "open system that anyone can use to allow objects a common system for communication" is how I'm describing it. If it really helps sales and someone wants to donate too me that's fine but I really am not loosing any money so I don't wish to gain any money. I'm simply going to be happy changing SL in a large way.

If you are interested in working together and integrating the two projects together let me know by email: [email]lpx@cox-internet.com[/email]

This is for anyone who wishes to communicate outside of SL interested in the project. Just make sure you include something in the subject appropriate, such as the subject of this thread. Thank you all for your interest and support. Within a few days we may have something to work with. I may be pressed for time because I'm working full time hours (I think, and hope) but I will use any spare time I can muster to keep this going.

Laters.

Well Leonn... We've talked about this in world, and you know I totally support you on this idea!

My reference to "competition" is because of course it does exist, and because there are those would not get involved because they would rather stake it out on their own. Then there are those would *love* to get involved with your project, and see the advantages of it. I say more power to both groups!

The listing of "pros from being involved" that Green stated above is a great post for those who may have been on the fence. Very well done!

And of course, I'm not sure I could be of any help in the scripting or even building process (maybe the latter a bit), but if there is ever anything I can do to be of help, please let me know!

Oh, and one request! hehe.. I would love to see a nipple attachment that actually sticks out a tad from the avatar, and that can be stroked (touched) by the hand of another Avatar. I think that would be really neat to have.

Just get two really small spheres and attach them to the Pecks. You can use the texture you've been using for your top tattoo texture as well if you position the offset right, lol.



More power to anyone who wishes to create content outside the system indeed. I don't expect anyone to have to use the system. I do expect most would want to.

I've seen good support so far. Give me a few days to iron out my RL work and I'll have a whole day where I'll gather the most interested/devoted supporters to help build a group as well as some names so we know what the hell to call this thing and each other.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Having scripted male and female, um, bodyparts "speaking" to each other just cracks me up.

Puppetry of the Penis

I want to badly to create little dancing penii and giners, that can do the can-can, speak, and such other things.

This is SL, afterall.

======= Conversation of Green's Clientele ===========

"RESET honey, I'm no where near ready!"
"Oh shit, sorry, sorry, SORRY! I couldn't help it..."
"Ohhhh pretty particles, but dang-nab it, how long till they fade out of view?"
"Ummmmm three minutes. Let me go get another beer and I'll brb."
"K, guess I've got to reset too."
"Yeah, brb"
"K"

Lol, is it less humorous to say that the objects transmit data using a protocol to synchronize dynamic features?

Yes! Yes! Ohhhhhhhh yes, yes, YES!

Please, oh please, transmit me your data, give me ALLLLLLL of your data dynamically! NOW, transmit NOW, no no no no, don't you dare lag me, NOW, oh yes, YES!

integer spent = TRUE;

Leon and Anshe, go for it! This is a beautiful idea.

As Anshe says, those who concentrate only on the "plumbing" are missing the point. Sex is (at its best) a supreme performance of love, encompassing every wonderful act from first glance to heated lovemaking to afterglow cuddling.

Anshe, I've read some of your posts on here. Beautiful stuff. If you're working on this, I have no worries about the project.

Leon, you sound totally serious about this. That's heartening. I don't know about anyone else on here, but I BURN to get closer to the one I love. If I could just reach out and touch her hand, just hold her tight, just stroke her cheek...

This is a system that could allow us to LOVE each other more deeply. Damn, where do I sign up?

Wow! I mean, wow! Finally a mature topic for the forums that talks about a mature topic rather than some childish *insert-profanity-here* topic.

I think there is lot of drive and need for quality scripted, modeled, textured, and designed objects related to sexuality in Second Life. I'd like to see more open, frank discussion about this kind of topic.