Second Life heritage

you are a true warrior poet Torley

True dat!

I concur. I would fully endorse a sim dedicated to a persistent "archive" for decommissioned builds with an obligatory fee to add a listing and retrieve objects from the archive. Rezzed builds could then be automatically wiped by the sim to allow for another to be displayed.

Wouldn't that be fun? Potentially hell over time, but would achieve the goal of being able to "step into the picture."

Alternately, this vaguely reminds me of an application I want to work on at some point...

Zuzi,

<<you'd have to ask a psychologist about real harm i guess. i don't think there would be any big obvious damage done by it but i think we'd be better off mentally if we didn't put too much importance on the past.>>

Indeed, it's important not to become tied to the past. But if you think that museums, real or virtual, are psychologically damaging, then your reality is not mine.

To my knowledge the oldest existing build is the Governors Mansion. That log cabin I do not believe was Steller's original cabin, as I once asked her about it and I believe she said it was in her inventory, or deleted. It may be a recreation, I dunno, Steller would really have to say.

There is a Museum which mostly I run in Phobos right now, there are several screenshots of old builds and generaly old SL screenshots, but I agree with Torley, a 3D representation in a 3D world is the best. I originaly intended to do models of things as well, and currently there is a vehicle, a pop gun, and a hippo on display, I'd be more than willing to do small replicas of things if prim ammount give the possibility.

I'd love to see a museum sim and any contribution I could make in time or research I would. I'm dedicated to the current history project thats ongoing and would be to any other as well. I had written up a suggestion and proposal for a educational sim, which among other things would have a museum in it, but it never went through due to lack of monetairy or any other kind of support.

Paying to access things in SL is a deturant, while projects do need money, not many people are the paying type to access places. I think a donation box is fine, but charging entry into places in SL... just doesn't really do any success, the best money is made in dwell I'd think.

I'd still love to do an educational sim of some sort if anyone has a sim laying around.

I don't think its unreasonable to ask for some land to be preserved for historical landmarks, as we're seeing people *are* interisted in the history of SL, and *are* interisted in helping to keep it around (you can further see this with the Govenor's Mansion restoration and the rebuilding of Avatar Central). So while SL is a ever changing world, it is still neat to keep around our history and significant builds, for nostalgia, as well as to see how far we've come, and to still enjoy great builds.

Oh and the history wiki is here: http://www.profnano.org/sl/

Its also in Eggy's sig, heh. Anyone is welcome to add anything to the wiki of course (hence it being a wiki). If LL would like to host the wiki we'd also love that.

Also there is the Historical Society group, most of which is just used to do updates on the museum and such, but if anyone wants to join and help out by submitting articles or using it for restoration projects or any other type of research etc. just send me an IM.

well here's something for you all - one of my very first photos, back in Dec 2002. Of interest might be the building that can be seen behind me; ignore my n00b leather jacket So, who remembers me looking like that? heh I look about the same I suppose, even now....

Looks like thats in Plum or Moris Solitaire? None of the build specificly look familure to me.

Looks like Stage 4 but made of wood.

Yeah, looks really neat actualy.

Apparently I was wrong about the cabin:



Both Steller and Paul show up in the Find.

Hello, this may be the first time that I have posted on the forums. I am not sure that I like the feeling. It's a bit like being pushed out onto stage in the 3rd grade.

I wanted to thank Selador, Oz, Eggy and the others, who supplied information regarding the build in my pic or just shared some memories. By the way, I went and signed up on that Flikr site, bookmarked the history wiki and intend to get involved with the historic group in SL. I hadn't realized that there were others who shared an interest in SL photo journalism.
Even if no one can recall exactly if this is the 2nd or 1st or 5th build in SL, it was good to see a post sparking a discussion on the need to ( or not to, depending on your opinion ) recognize the value of Second Life history and nostalgia.

Some quick answers to a few questions that were asked: How did I get the impression that this was the first house? It was labeled as such and a Landmark led to it. There was even a little notecard, I think. Not sure.
How long ago did it vanish? Well, I went there about a little under a year ago. I guess that I never thought of it being taken down. Even after a year. Foolish that it never occured to me that the land is sellable, prims used to cost money and people get bored.

Befriending a new resident, excitedly leading them to some pivotal building landmark, only to see it gone ... well, what's next? The Prim Library disappearing?
Some things are just too valuable to loose.

Having written that, it is also true that you can't make someone keep their build up. No one can be made to save or donate their private inventory. A sim dedicated to Second life Preservation builds would cost money. It may be that there is no solution to find within such a fluctuating, change-based world. Be that as it may, it was somewhat disappointing when, finding someone excited about seeing the first house, I went to take them and it wasnt there.

Torley, you were right about 2-dimensional pictures not being enough. Your words about wanting to fly into a picture left me with the most lingering imagery.
I remember my first day here in SL, looking out of my sister's window. The trees were moving.

No, pictures would not be enough.


Cathy Curie

Always glad to find more people interisted in the history of SL.

A correction from my post before, I've recently found out that the oldest existing build is The Man statue in Natoma. The Governor's(Steller's) Mansion would be the oldest existing *user* build, but even that could be wrong if the cabin came before (but with the cabin now gone, it would make it accurate?).

I forget if the cabin came before the mansion, most likely and from the notecard you mention Cathy, it did.

Its funny how history itself doesn't change, but what we know about it does, this seems to be true in all forms of history be it RL or SL.