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(I) Support LL's Economic Policy Changes

Jacqueline Richelieu
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01-11-2005 09:46
All in favor say 'aye'.

The money supply was growing out of hand. Kudos to LL for stepping up to the plate.

Its now much less profitable to rate mine. Its now much less profitable to game events.

Kudos!
Shadow Weaver
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01-11-2005 09:50
nay
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 09:51
Aye
Barbarra Blair
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01-11-2005 09:52
Nope.
David Valentino
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01-11-2005 09:53
No thanks
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Jesrad Seraph
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01-11-2005 09:53
Aye. We don't need ingame money. There should have only been RL money involved, from the starts, and only for paying actual server resources.
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Shadow Weaver
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01-11-2005 10:01
I say Nay in the sense that the Ratings "Bandaid" is only gonna slow things not fix them. As an economic change it is not it is a mere patch to an ever growing problem.

I think you will find that people agree there needs to be a change but this one is not it as its not going to fix the issues.

6 months even with the stip delta cut in half we are going to be right back up on this stage crying the same tune as people will get used to paying L$ 25 to rate to get that full Half...So Id say this at best is a temporary slow down not a solution or a REAL change for that matter.

Its basically a question or statement of too little too late.

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Moleculor Satyr
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01-11-2005 10:08
To the event changes: Aye!

To the ratings stipend changes: Aye!

To the ratings changes: Aye... but only as a stopgap to a complete reworking of the system.

To the eBay thing: Nay! What the fuck are you thinking, LL?!
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01-11-2005 10:35
From: Moleculor Satyr
To the event changes: Aye!

To the ratings stipend changes: Aye!

To the ratings changes: Aye... but only as a stopgap to a complete reworking of the system.

To the eBay thing: Nay! What the fuck are you thinking, LL?!


ditto
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Juro Kothari
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01-11-2005 10:41
Aye!

From: Moleculor Satyr
To the event changes: Aye!
To the eBay thing: Nay! What the fuck are you thinking, LL?!

I think its a case of "we want to try this experiment fast, our current system cannot handle this, so do we use an outside vendor - or - spend lots of man-hours revamping our own system without knowing if the experiment will succeed?

I think they made the right decision in using eBay. It helps to get this program up and running quickly and let's the code monkeys focus on new revs and bug fixes.
Totally Barmy
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01-11-2005 10:52
From: Moleculor Satyr
To the event changes: Aye!

To the ratings stipend changes: Aye!

To the ratings changes: Aye... but only as a stopgap to a complete reworking of the system.

To the eBay thing: Nay! What the fuck are you thinking, LL?!



I'm Totally in agreement with Moleculor !
Kiefer Beckett
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01-11-2005 10:55
Aye!
Eggy Lippmann
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01-11-2005 10:59
"Aye", I suppose. I think LL should move away from a nation model and towards a micropayments system.
Nephilaine Protagonist
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01-11-2005 11:16
For the most part, I give it an AYE!
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The only thing I'm not really comfortable with is the Ebay thing. I dont think its a *bad* thing neccesarily (after all, noone's MAKING you shop with the people who would go in for that advertising. in the end, i think for those business owners it might end up being a big "kick me" sign.), but I do think that the public outcry against it is indicating that its definitely not an idea the average SLer seems to support. In light of that, it would behoove LL to reconsider if this is really the best course of action.

I feel a little bad for LL honestly, they really seem like they just cant win here. It seems like they are catching the blame for the fact that people abuse the systems that are already in place.

The alternate suggestion that keeps coming up is: make the Featured/Top Picks/Whatever page based on the places most commonly added to avatar's Picks section. This is a reasonable suggestion, but possibly gameable (it's amazing the lengths people will go to).
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Daemioth Sklar
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01-11-2005 11:18
Aye to stipend changes, nay to event and eBay.
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Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 11:21
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
All in favor say 'aye'.

The money supply was growing out of hand. Kudos to LL for stepping up to the plate.

Its now much less profitable to rate mine. Its now much less profitable to game events.

Kudos!





Jacq:

U sexy money girl...
Jacqueline Richelieu
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01-11-2005 11:23
LoL...actually, I had been spending less and less time in SL because I felt the economy was out of whack. This latest move somewhat invigorates my faith in SL's potential business opportunities.

Its hard to run a business with rampant inflation.

~Jaq
Shadow Weaver
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01-11-2005 11:26
From: someone
Its hard to run a business with rampant inflation.


No its not you just set your prices low run everyone else out of buisness and come back with higher prices and cheaper product latter down the road....

Business model by Wal Mart ...running Mom n Pop operations out of business since I don't know when...
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01-11-2005 11:28
Aye.
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Jacqueline Richelieu
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01-11-2005 11:29
I'm not sure the Walmart business model applies here. Walmart derives much of its strength vs. other competitors due to its purchasing power. Since supplier purchasing power is not really meaningful in SL, I'm not sure a parallel is warranted.

However, I do understand your "Low prices every day" parallel. Buts thats only half the Walmart equation.
Alby Yellowknife
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01-11-2005 11:29
From: Jacqueline Richelieu
LoL...actually, I had been spending less and less time in SL because I felt the economy was out of whack. This latest move somewhat invigorates my faith in SL's potential business opportunities.

Its hard to run a business with rampant inflation.

~Jaq



I agree.. Inflation is a killer.. Finially the powers that be have realized what we've been talking about for ages.. Not lets get that currency back up there..

Lets Reduce that L$160/million float to L$80/million or less...
Dain Lambert
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01-11-2005 11:29
Aye to all the changes except the top picks/ebay change. I think buying your way into a "featured" spot is just not right.
Jacqueline Richelieu
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01-11-2005 11:31
From: Alby Yellowknife
I agree.. Inflation is a killer.. Finially the powers that be have realized what we've been talking about for ages.. Not lets get that currency back up there..

Lets Reduce that L$160/million float to L$80/million or less...


I'm not sure these changes will reduce the float. I believe the float will actually increase, albeit, at a slower rate.

My take is LL realized that a 100% growth in the money supply over 3 months was harmful. Now the money supply will only grow by 50% every 3 months.

A move in the right direction.

I believe this is only part of a total solution.
Juro Kothari
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01-11-2005 11:31
From: Dain Lambert
Aye to all the changes except the top picks/ebay change. I think buying your way into a "featured" spot is just not right.

"Featured" = Advertising. How else would you expect one to get thier advertisement out there? You have to pay for it.

You're confusing the 'Top Picks' and 'Featured Spots'.
Dain Lambert
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01-11-2005 11:36
From: Juro Kothari
"Featured" = Advertising. How else would you expect one to get thier advertisement out there? You have to pay for it.

You're confusing the 'Top Picks' and 'Featured Spots'.



When you put it that way I see the logic in it. I tend to look at the "top picks" a lot and check those places out. I never really understood how they were picked to be honest. I will probably never look at a "Featured Spot" list, knowing they were paid for. But, that's just me and my personal distaste for advertising and the ad business.
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