A moment of silence.....
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Juro Kothari
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06-11-2004 10:57
I hope not. Maybe you should have to be dead for 50 years before such a suggestion. But, I'm biased. 
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Nolan Nash
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06-11-2004 11:10
Kennedy went on the half-dollar alot quicker than that  NOT comparing the two deceased in any fashion btw..
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Juro Kothari
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06-11-2004 11:16
Did he? Interesting... probably very different emotions surrounding these two though. One president plucked during his prime from office, so I'm sure that had something to do with it.
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06-11-2004 11:35
From: someone Originally posted by Nolan Nash Kennedy went on the half-dollar alot quicker than that NOT comparing the two deceased in any fashion btw.. Exactly! Kennedy, like his brother, and MLK, Malcolm X, Megar Evers (sp) were gunned down in their primes. *shutting my mouth*
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06-11-2004 11:58
From: someone Originally posted by Juro Kothari Did he? Interesting... probably very different emotions surrounding these two though. One president plucked during his prime from office, so I'm sure that had something to do with it. Yes, the very next year, which ironically was also the same year they changed the metallic compositions of the dime, quarter, half dollar and silver dollar. Good timing? Not sure. However I think that most of us would agree, JFK's death was still a horrific tragedy, and certaining influenced Franklin's image being replaced. Now my goodbye to Ronnie. It's a shame when any president passes. They represent for me (usually) the best in all of us. ~requiescat in pace~ (If the damned media let's him).
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06-11-2004 12:50
RIP Ronny.....you will be missed!
And may family, friends, and followers find relief and comfort in the knowledge that he is no longer suffering.
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06-11-2004 21:30
From: someone Originally posted by Chip Midnight Okay, well not to pee on the parade, but...
Reagan was just a man. His passing is no more sad or important than if your neighbor next door keels over tomorrow. He was not an especially good president. He did horrible things to the economy and giving him credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union is silly. We know now it would have collapsed anyway. So yes, his passing is sad. Anyone's passing is sad, especially for the loved ones they leave behind. But this post mortem elevation to heroic proportions is wrong. He was who he was. Nothing more. Nothing less. His death doesn't change anything.
In the past week I've heard proposals for adding his face to Mt. Rushmore, putting him on the ten dollar bill, building a memorial to him on the national mall, naming the Pentagon after him... to which my response is "Yes, by all means, let's waste even more of our tax money!" Have our standards for hero worship sunk so low that people would elevate Reagan to the same level as Lincoln or Washington? Puh-lease!
Obviously the republicans can't be too thrilled about the moron they currently have in the whitehouse so of course they're having an orgy of revisionist hero worship about Reagan. They must be loving the 24/7 news coverage of his death while stories about the memos from the justice department prepared in 2003 claiming that Bush is not bound by the Geneva convention and setting the stage for the horrific prisoner abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Cuba and suggesting that the origins of the abuse reach all the way to the executive branch get nary a mention. It's sickening.
My moment of silence ended about 30 seconds after his death was announced. Let's get back to reality now please. The title of this post is "A moment of silence". It is plain disrespectful to attempt to make this a post about how you disagree with his politics, or even his greatness. Honestly, if you wanted to do that then start your own frigging post Chip. I don't know you at all, but this post of yours is plain bitter and repulsive in a thread to honor President Reagan. It is even more pathetic to do this on the day that is set aside as a day of morning for him and also the day of his funeral. I tip my hat to those of you that have shown a great respect for him even though you don't agree with his politics. There are several nice examples of this on this thread. Thank you for showing him the honor and respect that he deserves. I will not regress and state the many details of why I disagree with your assessment but will say that history will decide President Reagan's greatness and as of now it looks pretty good for him. God bless President Reagan, his family and God bless America.
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Azrazael Maracas
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06-11-2004 21:36
well....I have to be with Chip on this one....
*humming a well known Queen tune...another one bites the dust*
No disrespect...just....a former B-movie star...ex president...ok....but make this big 'hero' thing? i dunno
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06-12-2004 08:58
From: someone Originally posted by Billy Grace I tip my hat to those of you that have shown a great respect for him even though you don't agree with his politics. There are several nice examples of this on this thread. Thank you for showing him the honor and respect that he deserves. Sorry. I don't believe he gets a free pass just for keeling over. From a psychological standpoint it's easy to understand why conservatives are so desperate for some good old fashioned hero worship right about now, but it would be nice if that didn't mean tossing reality out the window. Reagan was, at best, a mediocre president. More members of his administration were convicted of crimes and sent to prison than any other administration besides Nixon's. If that qualifies a person to be elevated to national hero status then our standards have sunk patheticaly low.
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06-12-2004 11:55
From: someone Originally posted by Chip Midnight Sorry. I don't believe he gets a free pass just for keeling over. From a psychological standpoint it's easy to understand why conservatives are so desperate for some good old fashioned hero worship right about now, but it would be nice if that didn't mean tossing reality out the window. Reagan was, at best, a mediocre president. More members of his administration were convicted of crimes and sent to prison than any other administration besides Nixon's. If that qualifies a person to be elevated to national hero status then our standards have sunk patheticaly low. You really dont have any self control or tact at all... not to mention any love and caring for your fellow man. How sad.
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Azrazael Maracas
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06-12-2004 12:09
From: someone Dog! (John Wayne quote) Chip...I think that says it all.......
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Chip Midnight
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06-12-2004 21:40
From: someone Originally posted by Billy Grace You really dont have any self control or tact at all... not to mention any love and caring for your fellow man. How sad. I tend to say what I think, not what you think I'm supposed to say. I find Reagan's death sad for his family. I'm going to take a wild guess that you're not related to him. I'm not dancing on the man's grave. I just find the "suddenly he's a national hero because he's dead" thing to be an annoying affectation. If his death effects you emotionaly, my condolances.
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06-12-2004 21:42
From: someone Originally posted by Azrazael Maracas Chip...I think that says it all....... hehe, I thought the same thing Az 
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Pepper Monde
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06-12-2004 22:09
Reagan was, no doubt a good man.
And like all presidents, he did his share of good things and stupid things. Hey Chip, if he was a mediocre president, then most of the other American presidents were lousy. Who was the last great president, in your opinion?
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06-13-2004 09:50
I believe that Reagan meant well, but you know the old saying about how the road to hell is paved  I don't personally elevate any former presidents to hero status with the exception of our founding fathers. We don't have kings and we aren't a theocracy. He was elected to do a job for which he was paid and had a comfortable retirement. It hasn't been long enough to assess Reagan's role in history. In 50 years we can debate whether or not he ought to be added to Mt. Rushmore. I find the hero worship of Kennedy to be equally annoying just so you know this isn't an anti-conservative position. In my personal opionion there are a whole lot of reasons Reagan was not a great president... creating the second largest budget deficit in history... being the lap dog of the moral majority... having a large protion of hisadministration jailed for crimes... ignoring AIDS... providing chemical and biological agents to Iraq which were used against Iran and the Kurds... covertly arming Iran at the same time (Iran-Contra)... (It can be argued that both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars have been cleaning up two messes made by the Reagan administration)... starting the war on drugs which has been a horrendous waste of tax money and is responsible for the insane percentage of our population we have in jail and has destroyed the lives of thousands upon thousands of people... All those things should disqualify Reagan from being considered a great president. The only really good thing I can think of that he did was initiating nuclear arms reductions with the Soviets. It's dangerous to get in the habit of elevating our leaders to god-like proportions. We pay presidents to work for us. We are not their subjects or loyal servants. They all should be evaluated objectively, not through red white and blue start spangled glasses. But hey, I'm just a tactless guy with no love for my fellow man.
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