A word to note

OKay I know many of us are indeed insulted and outraged at Jon Morgan at the moment myself included but I ask you all to hear me just for one sec, If we flame him and tell him how horrible isn't that make us the ones who are worse. He did not show us respect for our beliefs but I ask please lets be better and show we our above that and respect his opinion and agree to disagree. I know the subject hit a nerve for most of us but he is fll intitled to his opinion doesn't mean we have to listen to it so just ognore him and move on don't waste time flaming him with hate or negs it only shows we have to prove we are better then him and honestly do we I speak to Everyone Christian-Pagan, Gay-Strait, Black-White. please lets just let this go we are getting to cuaght up and makes more drama lets open our eyes to the fact this is not worth our precious time we have better things to do then have to explain or protect our beliefs from another. SO please please Agree to disagree and move on.

On a final note the plain fact of what I am tryin to get at is Respect lets just have some for everyone even if we don't care for them it just shows we don't preach we teach to RESPECT.

Thank you~Feel free to flame away but first know I am pagan and gay SO don't assume anything that may get you into trouble.

while some people have been intemperate in their words. most of the post have been to point out the offense caused by some ill-advised words.

some people give christians a bad name.

What he do?

And some people give christians a bad haircut.

Did you see those photos from the Southern Baptist Convention?*

Please God let this grow out overnight!


Say it with me girls, "I swear to god I will NEVER use another home perm!"


Okay, honestly, how many of you purchased a Flowbee?

O.o

Wow...

That looks like a very scary place.

*whimpers*

...

the miracle of flowbie...

...

this whole "you people are intolerant of me-and-my-beliefs" thing is a red herring. by confounding the offense he has committed with the offenses of his religion, he deflects any criticism of himself, and gets to launch into a (self-)righteous diatribe about religious intolerance. i would like to point out that several christians have pointed out his misbehavior.

he never owns up to his own actions.

so while, sadly, there is some religious intolerance occurring, he's not the victim he makes himself out to be.

here are some examples. you may have to infer some of his posts because some of his posts "disappear" over time. those "disappearances" give the lie to the idea that he doesn't know how he gives offense.

re: same-sex marriage
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re: mature themes, non-christian religions, & homosexuality
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emphasis added.

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jon shouldn't be surprised at the fact that his protestations of piousness are being questioned. not only does his hypocrisy show up in his forum posts, but i've watched his behavior in the welcome area. it's interesting. if one keeps track of the demographics of the people jon "eagerly helps" and/or "follows around", you may discover an interesting pattern wrt to gender. and one might also see a pattern wrt when jon's av reaches out its hand when near other av's while he's seated.

but now that i've mentioned these things, i suspect the pattern may change; which is probably a good thing.

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some people give christians a bad name.

ow! my eye!

I appreciate your criticism, Grace, but your antagonism is personal and not constructive, as it's simply not true. I have frequently apologized in these forums and I frequently admit my errors. Either you lie or you are severely lacking discernment.

I don't make myself out to be a victim. However, as you say, there is some religious intolerance occuring, and this happens to be a forum called "Rant, Harangue, and Objurgate", so I have occasionally felt that my rants about such intolerance are appropriate here.


Someone asked, "how could such marketing be offensive?" And I answered the question. It was a solicited response.

I already apologized a long time ago to all people recognized in that thread, and I removed my posts only because they were out of place and improper in the first place. I don't deny my misbehavior, but in this case I never did once I realized it.

I'm not surprised that my protests (of whatever) are questioned at all. However, THIS thread is the result of my most recently started thread, which was the result of LL accusing me of being "hateful", and THAT is something that I was and still am very surprised and confused about.

ROFL .. okay, His Grace, I confess... I am really a transsexual woman and I'm really confused about the world I live in now. (Kidding .. nothing against transsexuals...)

I don't like my personality being dissected like this, but I'm willing to fight for your right to do it... as long as I have the right to complain about it.

Incidentally, I deny all of these here accusations about what I do in the Welcome Area. But I take the "reaches out its hand" thing with humor ... I presume His Grace is referring to someone else's (Madiera's) joke post that she told me she'd make while I was sitting with her just because she was bored and wanted to start a fight for the fun of it....

I don't know if I should, since I want to see this whole topic die so we can get on with the happy fun joy...

but... since I'm feeling contrary



"Thou shalt not thake the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain."

ROFL .. I don't worship jeez. I don't know any people who do. I don't know anyone who worships gosh, either, and I'll be frickin darned if I did.

Pfft, blasphemer. You know what they say about blasphemers... they have small penises.

Call now! The Dawin Appleby School of Debate is now accepting applications!

what have you apologized for? the error of being intolerant and offensive? or the error of getting caught at it? your insincerity and hypocrisy are astounding.

when you write something hateful, does that make you hateful? for most assuredly, you have written hateful things.

i ask you again, what fruit do you have to show?

really? let's review.

seems to me you're playing the victim here.

granted many people do respond negatively to your words. but then you have the unfortunate habit of painting the world in stereotyped categories that are overly broad and generally dehumanizing. categories that offend many people.

the thing about that kind of apology is that you apologize for the intolerant act, not the intolerant attitude.

people are telling you about your attitude, but you respond that you didn't intend it. the road to hell is paved with good intentions. your words are a reflection of your attitudes.

the flaws in your personality would be dissected less, if you spent less time pointing out the flaws in various groups.

i'm not the least bit surprised.

Well NOW you're getting believable!

His Grace, in the effort to keep from suggesting an observation of stupidity on your part, I will refrain from responding to you further, but PLEASE read my posts in context. I was accused by LL as displaying "hatred", and I find such accusations--specifically official ones from higher up, under threat of account termination--to be protestable. I don't know where such accusations come from except for these forums, so I state my case and that's that.

edited: added "under threat of account termination"

it's interesting what you choose to attend.

i have watched your in-world behavior. citing your mendacity is simply easier using forum posts as they provide easier examples than attempting use in-world behavior - 1) because in the forums your words persist (well, until you delete them) and 2) because posting logs isn't allowed.

jon, i suggest you try to learn from what people are telling you about your behavior. you'll get into less trouble. at the very least, learn to be more covert about your bigotry. people see right through you at the moment.

but as usually you protest your innocence and how unfairly you are being treated.

"in the effort to keep from suggesting an observation of stupidity on your part"

oh dear, i do believe you've made the suggestion. most uncharitable of you. more of your fruit?

In the thread about 1.4, Jon said:



OK, so trying to be all-inclusive and tolerant is leftist? Then, that pretty much says right there that to be right-wing, you have to be prejudice and hateful.

Sounds more like nazism.