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Radiks Family--Are You A College Class?

Barmovic Boffin
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01-21-2005 18:21
From: Unhygienix Gullwing
Yeah, and besides, Barmovic, if you have a problem with these students, why didn't you complain when it was announced that LL had acquired an $8 million contract from the government to allow the FBI to test out its successor to the Carnivore program, to see if the new program is better at picking up on suspicious communications and behaviour?


WHAT.........!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious ? Could I have a link please UG ? You must be joking surely ?

On the original point - I might have had any interaction at all with a Radik yesterday - completely unknowing.

I might have any interaction at all tomorrow with some other student class xxxxx family, if such exists, and I still wont know.

If any poster can give me a LINK to where the name Radik is defined as a student group on the website (not in Forum) , rather than just telling me it exists, I would be extremely grateful. I said I did a first (ie quick) search. My point is the average SLer cannot be expected to search for something he does not know is there to be concerned about.

FBI? Carnivore? Joke? I'll go look in Google.

It seems I am not alone. The threads on this topic are getting horribly fragmented , and I failed to notice this:

/120/8b/33597/1.html
Barmovic Boffin
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01-21-2005 18:26
On second thoughts, please give me the link.

Perhaps its not wise to do google searches on words like that. Exactly because of - you know what................
Talen Morgan
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01-21-2005 18:46
From: Barmovic Boffin
WHAT.........!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you serious ? Could I have a link please UG ? You must be joking surely ?

On the original point - I might have had any interaction at all with a Radik yesterday - completely unknowing.

I might have any interaction at all tomorrow with some other student class xxxxx family, if such exists, and I still wont know.

If any poster can give me a LINK to where the name Radik is defined as a student group on the website (not in Forum) , rather than just telling me it exists, I would be extremely grateful. I said I did a first (ie quick) search. My point is the average SLer cannot be expected to search for something he does not know is there to be concerned about.

FBI? Carnivore? Joke? I'll go look in Google.

It seems I am not alone. The threads on this topic are getting horribly fragmented , and I failed to notice this:

/120/8b/33597/1.html



There is no link to the name Radik there are multiple sources that explain how the univesty stuff works and that each class will ahve a specific last name. As the professor stated her students will identify themselves and if they wish to use any information you have given they will ask you for permission and only she will see this.

and the 8 million had nothing to do with the FBI....it was the CIA and it was all about intercepting terrorist threats and sex balls :p
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01-21-2005 19:02
From: Talen Morgan
There is no link to the name Radik there are multiple sources that explain how the univesty stuff works and that each class will ahve a specific last name. As the professor stated her students will identify themselves and if they wish to use any information you have given they will ask you for permission and only she will see this.

and the 8 million had nothing to do with the FBI....it was the CIA and it was all about intercepting terrorist threats and sex balls :p



Indeed - I was contacted to serve to country by creating a virtual version of an invention that will eventually destroy terrorism and bring peace to hundreds of countries:

The man-love dogpile.

I'm so proud, I think I'm gonna cry.

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01-21-2005 20:11
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01-21-2005 20:13
From: Siggy Romulus
Indeed - I was contacted to serve to country by creating a virtual version of an invention that will eventually destroy terrorism and bring peace to hundreds of countries:

The man-love dogpile.

I'm so proud, I think I'm gonna cry.

Siggy.



I thought the marines invented that at that Iraqi prison.....oh wait...that was the man love pyramid....silly me :p
Lynn Lippmann
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01-21-2005 21:31
Sorry, but the point has been made.

Again, it revolves around communication to the end-users from LL about what type of classes and/or research is being conducted in world.

Not by the forums -- it's admittedly not something that ALL users read.

Not by the newsletter -- it's been two years of using the "spam-identified" mailing company that the email isn't received by many of the end-users in their mailbox.

Somehow, LL needs to communicate this information to each and every user here in SL, be it by a "message of the day" box on login, as part of the "please read" TOS notification... Somehow, someway -- and something better than what is being done.

But then, what's more fun? Mentioning it in the forums and then having your end-users all pissed off and angry when they do find out that they've been a "case study for scientific / educational purposes"?

Ya, it's more fun that way.

Class dismissed.
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Mike Zidane
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01-22-2005 10:37
From: someone

Yeah, and besides, Barmovic, if you have a problem with these students, why didn't you complain when it was announced that LL had acquired an $8 million contract from the government to allow the FBI to test out its successor to the Carnivore program, to see if the new program is better at picking up on suspicious communications and behaviour?


Priceless! :)

The Radiks program has my full support. I really can not say enough mean things about the people creating a stink about this, so I'll spare you from having to read it. Suffice it to say that I think the lot of you need to get lives. Or just don't log in (or immediately log out) when there are Radiks people nearby. None of you have any claim to injury, and none of you have any reason to complain. This is something that could really bring SL forward, and you guys are trying to ruin it because you think people care what you are up to. Get a grip.

And as for all the arguments about communication or whatever.... there is nothing stopping me from starting a class teaching whatever.... and there is nothing stopping me from not telling you. What makes you think you have a right to know about this in the first place? All the Radiks crew has accomplished by saying anything at all is opened themselves up to griefing in the guise of 'privacy concerns'.
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01-22-2005 10:58
From: Barmovic Boffin
At least two posters above have praised the fact that groups studying SL have distinctive surnames, so that we all know.

We certainly DONT all know.

I would not have known had I not stumbled on this thread.

It is inferred there are other similar groups - but what are they?

I have carried out a first search of the SL website, and found no obvious reference to the Radiks, let alone others.

I don't find this satisfactory at all.

It is not enough to rely on forum threads - many people never come to forum at all.

I would like to suggest to any reading Linden, that this should be clearly and prominently described on the website, with all such surnames, and together with the purposes of the group (and any guidelines for students).

I am also not happy that Professor Radik baldly declines a request to post for us the Guidelines given to his class, simply because the drafter has not given his permission. Get his permission. Dont subordinate the privacy rights of thousands of SLers to those of some single person who could not possibly have any valid reason to object. How else can we know if students are overstepping the line in their dealings with us?

I cant help being slightly dubious about the Radiks enthusiasm for up-front disclosure, when I see so many Radik postings asking questions with no disclosure whatever, until after this topic has been raised critically here. Relying on some other posting tucked away in another thread is quite inadequate.

Sorry to sound a bit negative, but I want to KNOW if I am interacting with someone sent here by a professor to analyse and report on his/her experience, including his interaction with me.

I am not happy to have found this out accidentally in forum.

I would really prefer a mention of these special surnames in the induction course, and a permanent prominent Noticeboart in the Welcome Area, updated as new classes are introduced.. In addition to the website.

Am I alone in this ? Am I the only grump ?

I'm sure I don't even need to ask if all these students are over 18 ?


I am hardly ever in world, and I knew. You paranoid idjits make me laff.
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01-22-2005 12:44
From: Devlin Gallant
I am hardly ever in world, and I knew. You paranoid idjits make me laff.



Laugh all you want, Devlin.

I'll call you psychotic.

It isn't funny if the paying residents of SL are not informed of these types of classroom research papers.

But then, I'm sure you've been a guinea pig or volunteer for several experiments in your lifetime -- how did the partial lobotomy work out for you?

Here, let me take your vital signs.
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Devlin Gallant
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01-23-2005 06:25
From: Lynn Lippmann
Laugh all you want, Devlin.

I'll call you psychotic.

It isn't funny if the paying residents of SL are not informed of these types of classroom research papers.

But then, I'm sure you've been a guinea pig or volunteer for several experiments in your lifetime -- how did the partial lobotomy work out for you?

Here, let me take your vital signs.


Thats my point, Lynn. We WERE informed...somewhere. Pretty sure there was a post from the Lindens asking us to welcome The Radish family or something. Or, maybe I just knew they were a class cause I am psychic. You spelled psychic wrong btw. :p
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Lynn Lippmann
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01-23-2005 11:22
From: Devlin Gallant
Thats my point, Lynn. We WERE informed...somewhere. Pretty sure there was a post from the Lindens asking us to welcome The Radish family or something. Or, maybe I just knew they were a class cause I am psychic. You spelled psychic wrong btw. :p


I can't spiel.

No, the entire COMMUNITY was NOT informed.

That was the initial gist of his post.

And to be honest? I thought that class was over a long, long time ago.

The new SL'ians who are coming into SL have a right to know that certain groups' questions may be included as part of a social experiment.

Now, go change those diapers. I'm a claravoyiant and I can tell that they need changed. :)

That, and I'm downwind of you.

:)
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01-23-2005 16:22
It's not LL's fault if all SL residents don't read the forum. So there. Phlbbt. :p Btw, you are right my diapers DO need changing. Could ya do it for me? I do soooo love the way you rub the lotion in. :)
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01-23-2005 16:41
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01-23-2005 16:50
From: Lynn Lippmann
I can't spiel.

No, the entire COMMUNITY was NOT informed.

That was the initial gist of his post.

And to be honest? I thought that class was over a long, long time ago.

The new SL'ians who are coming into SL have a right to know that certain groups' questions may be included as part of a social experiment.

Now, go change those diapers. I'm a claravoyiant and I can tell that they need changed. :)

That, and I'm downwind of you.

:)



Back when the pitts were discovere dI am almost positive the Lindens ran a message of the day about collge classes and said more info at the forums and website :eek:
Barmovic Boffin
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01-26-2005 18:26
I really don't understand all this criticism of those of us who feel the need to know. I for one am NOT saying I disapprove of such groups researching SL. In fact I approve, provided LL have approved it and have adequate safeguards and guidelines. If I see a class member I might be interested to help.

How can you object to, or deride, the fact that I want to KNOW when I am interacting with such a person. Just because you don't care doesn't mean I can't, or that my wishes should be disrespected.

And as for the "I knew, so everyone else must have" argument. Well! Extrapolations from a sample of one are not reliable.

I don't OBJECT to them. I just want to KNOW. Is that clear enough? Not talk to them without knowing. Sheesh.
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