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blaze Spinnaker
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03-13-2005 02:44
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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03-13-2005 04:32
No.
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
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03-13-2005 04:33
No
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Eggy Lippmann
Wiktator
Join date: 1 May 2003
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03-13-2005 04:42
It is already throttled. It has always been throttled. Haven't you been told this already?
Heck, if anything, it should be less throttled or not throttled at all. See: http://secondlife.com/badgeo/wakka.php?wakka=llGiveInventory This function call has a built in delay of three seconds. Noob  _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-13-2005 05:02
You're either joking or you don't know how to program LSL.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Adam Zaius
Deus
Join date: 9 Jan 2004
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03-13-2005 06:20
No.
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Catherine Omega
Geometry Ninja
Join date: 10 Jan 2003
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03-13-2005 06:22
No.
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splat1 Edison
Registerd Nut
Join date: 6 Sep 2004
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03-13-2005 06:25
Ah hell NO fewl.
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Jillian Callahan
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Join date: 24 Jun 2004
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03-13-2005 06:54
This again?
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Ardith Mifflin
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Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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03-13-2005 07:20
You're either joking or you don't know how to program LSL. Straw man coupled with ad hominem, and grounded in false dilemma. Very skillful, blaze. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 09:31
I was referring to Eggy, Ardith.
There is no delay on llGiveInventory. That is a complete red herring for anyone that knows what they are doing. I was going to just call him and idiot, but I thought better of it and realised that he might be joking. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 09:33
Oh yeah, and BTW, throttling llGiveInventory is *exactly* what everyone is proposing here you realise.
That PF shouldn't be able to llGiveInventory all over the grid. This is the same as throttling llGiveInventory, except that the lindens have to go after these people manually and not automatically. (If he's using replication) _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Reitsuki Kojima
Witchhunter
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
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03-13-2005 09:36
Oh yeah, and BTW, throttling llGiveInventory is *exactly* what everyone is proposing here you realise. That PF shouldn't be able to llGiveInventory all over the grid. This is the same as throttling llGiveInventory, except that the lindens have to go after these people manually and not automatically. (If he's using replication) Actually, it's NOT what we're talking about. Thanks. _____________________
I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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CrystalShard Foo
1+1=10
Join date: 6 Feb 2004
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03-13-2005 09:40
Throttle blaze?
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 09:44
People are allowed to scan and temp rez. So many things would get broken if this functionality was no longer available.
I really really don't think the lindens are going to disable or throttle that functionality. Plus, scanning a sim should be allowed. There are so many usage statistics and cool data that we get people because people scan the entire grid. However, you should have to pay $$ to do it.. like buy a 16m2 plot in every sim you want to scan in. Otherwise, it's like Spam. Anyone can spam zillions of people at little cost to yourself because of self-replication and llGiveInventory (which is also possible via rez object itself, but much harder and annoying). You can also accidentally knock out the entire grid while trying to do so. The only real problem here is self-replicating all over the grid. Scanning and temp rez are unlikely to go away anytime soon. Even IF people could automatically opt out, enough people wouldn't that the replication would not be affected. The problem here is there are a lot of people who don't even program LSL (first test: acn you even write a self-replicating public scanner for the entire grid that can avoid the problem of people automatically opting out of temp rez?) enough to understand the true implications of what we're dealing with. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 09:46
"throttle blaze"
duhhhh you must be fic.. duhhh _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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03-13-2005 10:30
"throttle blaze" duhhhh you must be fic.. duhhh feted inner catgirls? |
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Cross Lament
Loose-brained Vixen
Join date: 20 Mar 2004
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03-13-2005 11:02
Ah gawd, not again.
NO. Deal with the people abusing the tool, leave the tool alone. _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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03-13-2005 11:28
YES, definitely remove! You're talking about scanners not on land people own themselves throughout the grid, right?
Oh, you're not? You're talking about removing a command that would take out all the vendors and much, much more in Second Life? GREAT IDEA. Remove channel "0" from available chat channels while you're at it. NO! _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 11:29
Yeah, that is a possible solution. Unfortunately, there are examples of people stealing credit card numbers, creating fake accounts, and crashing sims with llgiveInventory
Check out the SecondLife herald, there is an interview with one such guy. (Last couple of messages in my Remove llGiveInventory thread) I was referring to the ability to self replicate. Other uses of llGiveInventory are fine. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Kris Ritter
paradoxical embolism
Join date: 31 Oct 2003
Posts: 6,627
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03-13-2005 12:02
people use stolen credit cards to do stuff online all the time.
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Cross Lament
Loose-brained Vixen
Join date: 20 Mar 2004
Posts: 1,115
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03-13-2005 12:27
Throttling it would be irrelevant anyway. True replicators grow exponentially. You'd be inconveniencing legitimate uses for no real benefit.
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splat1 Edison
Registerd Nut
Join date: 6 Sep 2004
Posts: 353
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03-13-2005 12:47
So many things would get broken if this functionality was no longer available. Yes and for that very reason people are saying no. All High end vendor systems would die if you decided to throttl this command any more then it is. (note: vendors affected do include Gigas Group and SLEX) So again just so you get THE POINT. NO _____________________
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Gigas Bunny (Mule) #### You see, our experts describe you as an appallingly dull fellow, unimaginative, timid, lacking in initiative, spineless, easily dominated, no sense of humour, tedious company and irrepressibly drab and awful. And whereas in most professions these would be considerable drawbacks, in chartered accountancy they are a positive boon. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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03-13-2005 12:59
Items which have crossed a sim would have their ability to replicate curtailed or severely throttled.
This was originally proposed by Strife, and I agree it's a good point of attack. _____________________
Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :
"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches." |
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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03-13-2005 14:15
You're either joking or you don't know how to program LSL. LOL you have no idea who Eggy is. LOL Eggy cant program LSL - RL LOL!!!!!!!!!! Briana Dawson |
